GAUGE
is it possible to put a gauge on the bottle or are the walls too thin
i know there is etac but just a question
also as a new airgunner can someone explain how the regulator works
also when i shoot my 25 condor with 27gr dome benjamins at 1100fps for 10 shots then i refill with my hill pump back to 3000psi how will the regulator help me will i get more shots before filling or do i need a larger bottle and regulator
PLEASE HELP ME
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papa roach lol you have answered my question the best
I will continue topping up with my hill pump and using the one scuba tank until I get the shoebox.
I hope the shoebox guy continues to make them because i just signed last week he probably needs employees to help make them in a factory. This guy will change the face of HPA and make our sport more available and economical.
Once again thanks ROACHCREEK for the great advice!
Barklee,
Yes those little gauges are not accurate, they are too small and too cheap, and that includes the gauge on the ETAC. You have to take your first 3000 PSI fill, where you know you have 3000PSI, and compare it to your gauge on your fill yoke and then just calibrate that in your mind so you know how far off you are.
You have also discovered why the expensive scba tanks are more desired than the scuba tanks.
At 3000PSI in your scuba tank, the first fill will be 3000 PSI and then each time it will be lower. If you fill only to 2800 PSI out of your 3000 PSI tank, you will get more 2800 fills that you are getting 3000 PSI fills now.
The Airhog website has a fill calulator and can tell you exactly what you will get for fills.
It is like having a 10 gallon can of water, every time you fill your quart bottle the water line goes down. So you only have 10 gallons the first time even tho the can has a 10 gallon capisty.
There are several things you can do to make your fill more efficient, one of course is topping off your tank with a pump, This is the cheapest way equipment wise, unless your using either a AirForce pump or a Benjamin pump, in those cases your pump will break soon, they are junk.
I have two scuba tanks, with two scuba yokes joined together with a HPA hose. This is called cascading, it can be done with scuba tanks or with scba tanks.
I will shoot down to 2000 PSI, then fill from the first tank marked #1, and like yours it goes down fast. I get maybe two or three fills at 3000PSI or close, then after it is only filling to 2900, I shut off tank one, and fill the last 100PSI with tank # 2. So tank # 2 is used like your pump, just to top it off. When tank # 1 gets down to around 2600 PSI, I take it to the scuba shop, Then tank # 2 becomes the first one I start the fill with.
In a world where money is no object, you would have a scba tank that will take a 4500 PSI fill, and yes they are expensive, and a Shoebox compressor hooked up to your shop compressor, they require the shop compressor or they will take 5 times as long to fill, a cheap Harbor Freight compressor that cost $50.00 will work fine with a Shoebox compressor. Then you can use a 30 minute scba tank, 30 minute is a term used by firemen who use these tanks, it means they have 30 minutes of air to breath, they are actually 44 cuft, but you will get two to three times as many full 3000 psi fills.
If you have a way to fill them they are wonderful, but many folks can’t find a place to fill them. Many bribe firemen with a bottle of their favorite drink, or food to get then on a friendly basis to fill the tanks, some fire departments fearing litigation will fire their employees for filling the tanks. Paint ball shops will fill them, it all depends on where your located and what is available. If you buy a scba tank be sure you have a way to get it filled.
I am on the list for a shoebox compressor in two weeks, I am replacing my scuba tank system with scba tanks. I have purchased two scba tanks, one is a very small 64 cuin unit that fits on my belt and I can fill in the field three times, the other is a 44 cuft tank that I can get 13 fills at 3000 PSI I believe. And I will fill them with the shoebox.
Now a word about tanks, you have to get them certified or no one will fill them for you. SCBA tanks are good for 15 years and then they can not be recertified. No one knows how long they last, the lifespan in Europe is 30 years, it is just a limit the goverment put on them for safety. But it is not against any law or rule for you to fill your own expired tanks. Only one tank is ever know to have failed and it was subjected to corrosive chemicals in the back of a firemans truck.
So if you get a tank that is only good for 2 to 5 years it is much cheaper, mine is only good for 2 years and I bought it off of EBAY for less than $100.00. But being as I will fillit myself, it will last my lifetime.
Shoebox compressors are made in two models one is a 3000PSI for filling scuba tanks and the other is the 4500 PSI compressor for filling scba tanks, you can’t change the fill pressure. If you get a 3000PSI model you can fill your scuba tank or tanks if you do what I did and cascade them.
Still if you can afford it the scba tank is the way to go you don;t spend your time lugging heavy scuba tanks around. If you get a shobox you have the best of both worlds.
All this is expensive, the cascade system like mine cost me the price of the two yokes, both which I got used and the price of a two HP hoses and a female HPA connection and a HPA certified T connection. I think I have less than $150.00 in it. IF you buy your tanks at a scuba shop they will certify them for you and usually help you out answering questions, and you know your getting a good tank, because they know they will see a lot of you.
Personally I like the independene of doing it myself, but I have a 40 mile round trip to the scuba shop and during the depredation season I have to fill both tanks every other day.
I hope this helps you good luck with your descision.
Roachcreek
I totally understand so i will get the non reg etac. I seem to ask many dumb questions but I need another advice about gauges. The dive shop where I fill my tank laughed at me when they saw the fill adapter with gauge that AF made to go on the scuba tanks. They said that it was so cheaply made that in a few years it would probably fail. I did not care because I was just filling the reservoir not going under water. But after filling the 80cf scuba tank I went home and filled my reservoir to 3000 psi the next fill the second time it only filled to 2600 psi not 3000 psi I thought that I would get 3000 at least 3-4 times then start going down may be 2800 then 2600 and so on. So I went back they measured the tank and it said 3000 psi they told me the AF gauge works but not accurately.
WHAT IS GOING ON ! How much do I get on a full 80 cu scuba tank of 3000 psi according to the air hog calculator 80cf filled to 3000 to fill 490cc reservoir at 3000 psi I get no fills what is wrong. 3100 scuba tank gets 2 fills what is the story. It is a good thing I bought a hill pump I have been filling with the scuba then topping off with pump.
I hope to get the shoebox comp. $600 is a lot for a carbon fiber tank.
Any cheaper ideas to fill reservoir.
Barklee,
Yes I think you misunderstood. What you learned about the ETACREG is all true, but Jim also sells the units you see in this picture. Thes ETAC’s are all canted and do not have a regulator so they produce the maximin velocity. Thye sell for just over 100 bucks and you will need a bench vice and the 10 dollar tool Jim sells to make the transition easier.
These are three of my guns, a Condor, a SS and A SS frame with a AirArcher unit.
The bottom one is the long ETAC, it has no regulator and the bottle is removable. The top two are the short canted ETAC’s and have no regulator the bottles are harder to remove.
None of these devices will restrict your velocity and do not have a attached regulator like the ETACREG.
This view show the other side that has the fill nipple on it, in this case it has a Airhog Pygmee tank attached to the fill nipple.
If I can be of further help feel free to ask.
Roachcreek
Thanks for answering my questions it’s great but I spoke to the guy who makes etacreg and he said that it would be consistent but I would not get the high velocity. If I shoot 25 cal 43 gr at 1000-950 fps for ten shots then fill my tank in this method every time, the etacreg would not be needed. Is this right or did I miss understand.
Barklee,
There are two lengths of ETAC’s if you choose to go that way for a gauge.
The Long one can be unscrewed to remove it from the rifle, the short one has to be removed by taking off the grip and disasembling the trigger plate to get at the bottle collar screw.
If you get an ETAC, the canted ones give you a far better stock weld. This allows a reduction of the scope to bore problem we have with this AF design, in that it allows the use of medium to low rings.
Do not be discouraged by the fact you can’t remove the bottle with the short ETAC, there is a fill nipple on the other side.
I hope this answers some of your questions.
Roachcreek
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WTF?
Don’t fuck around when someone asks a legitimate question on the TAG.
Either answer the question or not but don’t deride the guy for the question he asked.
No you can not put a gauge on the tank. It would interfer with being able to take the bottle on and off of the gun. You need an adapter like the ETac to be able to install a gauge.
As for the reg. It will give you consistent shots until the pressure in the bottle drops below the pressure setting on the reg. At that point you need to refill.
Let me remind everybody. If you want to screw around on the forum that is fine. BUT ANSWER LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS OR DO NOT POST ON THE THREAD AT ALL.
That means you Critter
Sorry but after a month of going through the forum and owning a condor I had thought that this was the best place to ask questions. I am new to airgunning and I really love the condor. Just like everybody here I want to make a good product better. So I hope you guys can answer at some of my questions.
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Get out of the wrong side of bed did we?? 😆 😎
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damn boy you coming up with some bite there !!!
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Sorry if I stepped on some people’s toes with my previous statement. Barklee, it sounds like you actually have done your searching and know what you’re talking about. However, I’m a bit tired of people barging in, not introducing themselves and demanding stuff. Again, sorry if my sarcastic comment was more than a bit unreasonable.