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First results from new handloads!

Well, up until now I have been neglecting my poor blaser with factory hunting ammo. But just recently I started handloading, and finally started getting groups. I’m using berger vld target bullets and retumbo powder. Started at the minimum charge weight based on a table I got from berger. First batch wasn’t all that impressive, groups between .5 and .75″ at 100 yards, best being .4″ Went back today with the next batch of ammo, all with more powder, and it went much better. A few groups around .75″ for the worst. Then I had these. 🙂

.4″ group ctc.

.2″ group ctc, with one really bad flinched shot. 😳

.3″ group ctc, with another flinched shot. 🙄

All groups are 4 shots, some I only counted 3 if I knew I flinched on one. The powder charges were spaced pretty far apart (probably too far) but this definitely gives me something to narrow down on.

Here’s the thing though, and maybe some of you with tac-ops and similar rifles can help me out on this. Once you start really getting group sizes down small, how much can you see the difference between one group and the next, and knowing it is only the ammo and not you? I know it has a lot to do with the shooter ability, if you can only shoot 1 moa groups then you won’t be able to see groups getting smaller than that. But I can shoot ok, I just think if they get very much smaller than that my point of aim on that little dot will move wider than the groups should be. In my head i keep thinking, “just aim better” but I just wonder if you can aim at a target and keep the crosshairs within .1″ of the very center of that target. The more I think about it the less sense I am making, so I’ll just shutup now and hopefully someone understands my question. 😆 I do guess the answer will be something along the lines of, you can only shoot as well as you can aim.

Also, any tips you guys have to making the groups better please tell me. I am trying to be very consistent in loading. I measure each powder charge by hand. I try to make all of the rounds the exact same OAL. How much does brass length matter? I know there are the limits, trim once it hits a certain point and all. But should I trim them all anyway to get them to the same length, or does that matter much?

So much to learn. But it is definitely worth it. Just started last week and I have groups down near .25moa already. If I can get them closer to .1 I will be satisfied, but I have to make sure I can shoot that well to start with. 😆 And stop flinching on that last shot!

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Thanks guys!

Case trimmer is a “possum” Handheld, and you stick the brass in it and rotate. It works, but not great. Have to check every few seconds with calipers to really get the length right. I will buy a better one. Just got this one because it was cheap, and I was out of money. 😆

May neck size, wouldn’t hurt.

I did another couple batches of the 80.5g of powder. Was just playing around with it for my last day before shipping out, but no bullet edge was outside of the edge of those .5″ dots at 100 yards. I think all groups were in the .25moa range, but I didn’t measure. Looks like that load will be a good starting place when I get back. 😀

Plus, maybe I’ll have a bit more money to spend after that. 🙂 I think part of my army bonus may go to another .223 barrel, so I’ll have to start loading for that as well. 😀 😀 😀

OK , Excellent Lama , don’t know how i missed this but looks like you really have a handle on it. Feels great to make your own ammo doesn’t it.

What case trimmer are you using
Are you going to neck size.

Thank you rossall,,, i enjoyed the article on the ware house.

Yeah looking good man! I wanna see some 500 yard groups!

Nice one Lama. 😎

😀

All dead, you should be a sniper.

Outstanding Llama! Brass trimming? Neck size your cases and measure them and see how much they vary. I think that you should trim them every time to build in more consistency. Why don’t you experiment. Trim 20 and don’t trim 20, (as long as they are within SAMI spec.) Make that the only variable in your loading procedure and see what happens.

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