Do you think the new TalonP pistol can achieve 50 Ft lbs?
That would mean a shade over 900fps with a 25.4 JSB king. How will they pull that off?
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Dude I have been playing with my new CZ 200s and it is so black an white(too soon). I know the price point is down but quality is top notch. It’s nice to have someone sell a product that does what they say it will do out the box. Over and over. But you will need to pry my AF from dead hands!!!!
Yeah after they redesign it so it works better. The o-rings get chewed to shit, can’t imagine what would happen if there was a strong spring in there…
Two reasons why I have not bought an edge.
1. Oring breech.
2. No extra tanks with regs.
Firstly they need to fix their design so you don’t have to run a 0.100″ tophat gap to get the breech to sit correctly on the valve. Then there is the trigger, the flex, the scope rail, the grip attachment, the lack of a decent butt plate that doesn’t tweak the rifle… Everything feels like a afterthought, thin walls on the hi-flow valve, butt plate, trigger group…
It appears most companies do this once they get slightly popular. They forget everything that got them there and then start producing the same crap over and over with little improvement. Then when they realize they need to change they change so much they turn into shit.
Funny, I see a lot of used Discos, M-Rods and AF rifles up for sale often.
I see far fewer used Daystate and other QUALITY air rifles for sale.
Things that make you go hmmmmm.
If I were to do it all over (spend the same amount of $$) i’d get a Mac-1 ft rifle, maybe even two. 😯
Sure I got gobs of power and various barrels and calibers, problem is it is everything but a field target or precision match quality air rifle. When a springer that costs a hundred bucks less than the Talon is more accurate and repeatable it’s a bit of an issue.
I’m still waiting for them to adapt what appears to be a better frame and breech system from the Edge to the other rifles.
tron,
i agree about their blatant lying and lack of accountability, but i would have to say that the modularity of the deign is one of their stronger points. i also disagree a tiny bit about a poor design. much like an unfinished diamond, the design at its core is great in many ways, but they fail to exploit their full potential, leaving that up to those of us who are willing to invest ourselves into making these rifles the true gems that AF claims they are. after all, thats why were all here, is it not? however, i do agree that they really compromise a lot in their design for the sake of modularity, namely the hi flow valve stem being paper thin and waiting to collapse. so, in summation i am with ya all the way, except for the poor design, i think it is genius except for the fact that they are not what they could be, a rifle on par with companies like daystate, but to be made so, the amount of work involved will cost about the same as a daystate. sorry bout the rambling, im not saying anything that hasnt been said a thusand times before. :banghead:
Some people say that AF are smart. I disagree. I think that AF are lazy fucks who have been milking a poorly made design for all it’s worth, all the while making promises and outright lies about what is both the here and now and what is around the corner. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Good analysis.
There are a lot of people with land that don’t need to be concerned with noise but want something for a backpack. Legally its an airgun regardless of sound levels; making ideal for camping and protection against certain varmints.
I think AF is smart… they have a modular system and by introducing a new tank with an existing valve the have another money spinner that kick the M-RODs butt.
obviously i was hasty in my judgement about achievable power but several things still come to mind
!. as Walter said, no matter how it is labeled by AF it is not a pistol
2.with that power level in an SS frame, i would have to be REALLY loud as it comes from the factory
3.shot count with a smaller tank has got to be low.
4.Tony’s gun has obviously been modified, but what can a similar factory gun achieve? i am guessing lower output.
I am sure there will be a niche market for the factory standard pistol but i have to wonder if sales in the long term will make it viable. time will tell.
I was just thinking more about getting 50+Fpe out of a 12″ .25 barrel…
My guess is they are going to just put a Condor valve on the smaller tank so the only thing that would suffer is shot count….IMO
a) not a pistol 🙂
b) much larger tank
therefore no comparison IMO
Tony, how hard do you think they can get that small tank to push?
Proof is right here…..
from a 12″ barrel? not on your life!!
from the box:NO. look at Tonys new shorty carbine, your odds are WAY better.
Sounds like sound advice to me…Whatever Tony gets will be “real world” numbers/figures, AND will be available to anyone wanting it..and it’ll be first-class work…hard to beat that !!
the same way they were getting 3,000psi fills to shoot in the old days. market hype.
Then Tom will explain it all to us on his BLOG.
Wait and see what Tony gets out of that .25 AF he is testing.
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sold a Talon SS, RWS 36 with cheap scope, and a Ben NP XL standard package to buy a used Daystate Air Ranger 80(.22 CAL) . for an extra $200 out of pocket, i am a happy camper. if you look at the taglines on a lot of posters here you see a long list of $250-$ 500 guns and the posters then mentioned they would like to have a Daystate but can’t afford one. BULLSHIT! GIVE ME QUALITY OVER QUANTITY ANY DAY! instead of 5 rifles i will now have 2- an AW MCT and the in-transit AR 80 but i am a happy guy.