Old Subject New Question – Lubed Pellets
I have been testing hundreds of shots in my 22 Condor with with unlubed and lubed pellets that shoot the best (Barracudas and JSB Heavies) trying to detect some difference in accuracy at various power settings. I am using FP10 and lightly lubing. I shoot off of a solid bench rest at 35 yards and for the life of me I cannot detect any statistical difference. I like the lube for gun maintenance but see little to no accuracy improvement. Is this the common experience at this point?
Is this just snake oil? If you have done careful testing I would be interested in your results.
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On the DVD I got with my TSS, the guy doesn’t give any indication that barrel cleaning is REALLY necessary…AT least that’s the impression I got from watching it…However, if my accuracy does ever start to suffer, the first thing I would do is to clean the barrel..As far as lubing pellets goes, I noticed NO difference in speed or accuracy, so I just quit messing with it. I can occasionally clean the barrel MUCH easier and quicker than I can do all the washing/drying/lubing the pellets just MHO 😀
i just try and keep a coating on the pellets in the tin with crossman pellets. i have gone to the extent of having a drip of lube on my finger when loading to just roll the pellet in my fingers to put a coating before going into the barrel with jsb pellets, when going for that one pellet hole group, i have shot my best groups doing this with Jsb’s after a good barrel cleaning,
something else i have noticed is after shooting say allot of crossman pellets that the jsb’s shot way better after barrel cleaning, it’s weird like the jsb’s didn’t like the film the crossmans left in the barrel, or when going from crossman to jsb the first groups with the jsb were 1/2″ then it would settle and start grouping 1/4″ or better.????
i have extra oiled some pellets and in seemed to hurt performance, i think it was eunjin 28 and 32 grain in .22 , but crossman pellets which is what i shoot the most seem to like a coat of sp -10 , i just put a few drops in a empty tin and roll the tin around to coat.
I cant put money on , or say any of this is fact just stuff i have tried when group shooting,
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If you run a bunch (few hundred) of dry pellets through the barrel without cleaning and then switch to lubed pellets I don’t see how anyone could tell the difference unless it’s drastic.
Test with a newly cleaned barrel for each different lubing so all things are closer to equal.
Or shoot dry then scope the barrel to see what kind of lead builds up then clean shoot the same quantity lubed, re-scope the barrel and compare.
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does anyone know exactly what the abrasive/abrasives in JB are? many metal polishes seem to contain various grades of cubic boron nitride, but JB is supposed to be different somehow (non embedding).
As I have read many times on forums, some barrels never need cleaning and they make their point saying there is no reason to clean an air rifle barrel. I guess this is where a good polishing of the bore with J.B. non-embedding Bore compound comes in to play. I never used it either, but it gets rave reviews. Knifemaker used the J.B. Bore compound on his barrels.
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Yeah, I had one of Knife’s highly polished barrels 😀 I won’t clean it until accuracy suffers…but when it does, I plan on polishing the crud out of it!
Of course your mileage will vary? I never counted my shots. You’ll know when POI changes from your POA. Just punch some holes in paper and then you’ll know something’s afoot! Your normal groups won’t be tight as usual and more flyers will show themselves
As I have read many times on forums, some barrels never need cleaning and they make their point saying there is no reason to clean an air rifle barrel. I guess this is where a good polishing of the bore with J.B. non-embedding Bore compound comes in to play. I never used it either, but it gets rave reviews. Knifemaker used the J.B. Bore compound on his barrels.
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Not to change the subject, lol, but I was wondering…since I don’t lube my pellets, at what point (how many pellets shot) will I start to see my groups open up and need to clean my barrel??? I think I have around 1,000 to 1500 pellets through my .25 and she can still knock a fly off a hog’s ass.
Using lube does 2 things. It decreases the screams of Riverside while getting pegged and keeps the barrel in good shape.
I believe that recommendation from Airforce is for maintenance benefits only. I spoke with one guy using FP10 that does no other lubing maintenance to the gun and has over 10,000 pellets through it.
i purchased a new Talon over a year ago and the DVD they provided with it recommends lubing the pellets with a good quality light oil.
i normally wash and lube my pellets and i have excellent results with most pellets (accuracy-wise) from the Talon.
i believe the oil adds to the ‘seal’ of the pellet in the bore as well as lubricating the pellet/bore for easier travel down the bore.
I’ve read where many recommend pelgun oil from crosman. i have yet to try it, though.
_/\_I have used FP-10 and Finish Line krytech on Beeman Kodiaks, and FP-10 to clean Crosman Premier hollow point/pointed pellets. I saw no difference in accuracy, but did notice a difference in when the barrel required cleaning.
_My barrel developed a black coating inside the bore regardless of lubed or not? It did take longer when I cleaned/lubed the crosman’s and just lubed the kodiak’s. which never required cleaning.
.When groups opened up, cleaning the bore, closed them up!
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