Condor – E-TaC vs. Tri Rail

I use both the tri-rail and my custom made E-tac. The E-tac is a very nice piece but Marmot_Militia (Jim) did not offer it in the drop that I felt I needed to accommodate my bad neck so had to made my own… I made a 5-degree, 7.5 degree and a 10-degree.

The 7.5-degree with the tri-rail works well for me. If I remove the tri-rail the 10-degree works well for me but it is probably too much of a drop for most. I like the looks of the tri-rail so I keep it on the gun and use the 7.5.

If you decide to make your own consider yourself warned. YOU WILL BE MONEY AND TIME AHEAD IF YOU JUST BUY AN E-TAC.!

http://www.kyhistoricsalvage.com/etac.html

I only made mine because of my special circumstances/needs (and because Dog said I could not do it 😀 ) .
Yes, it is made of steel.

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WOK.

Again you half correct, you have two methods of timing that ETAC, one is with shims, a poor solution in my mind, and the other is to time it by either rotating the collar or perhaps to machine the valve ring, if you have a lathe around. I have never machined the valve ring, but I do rotate the collar.

To me there are two problems we face with AirForce rifles, the 3 inch scope to barrel difference, and the poor egronomics.

You have corrected the poor egonomics, as the Mad Dog stock does also.

The Etac addresses both the poor egonomics and partly addresses the barrel to scope problem, but not enough.

What we need is a drastic dog leg type etac, we have seen them here on the forum, and we need to lower the scope rail. If this was done in a way to give additional volume for/combined with a hi flow regulator that would produce Condor veleocities, I think it would be a vast improvement.

Both require considerable work and treasure to do this, if these things were addressed at the factory, what we would have is a FX Elite for a very reasonable price IMHO.

Another thing I would like to see done, is for you to make a trigger guard that extends out to become a floating forearm, I think this would solve much of the flexing problem.

Then combine all this with a extended SS type frame.

I would like to see these thing addressed at the factory as an option, so we could have both a entry level rifle for folks with no righ/leftt cheekbone and give us full faced fellows a Condor ELITE. 😉

But if things were different they would not be the same and pigs would fly ect..

Regards,

Roachcreek

Wok,

That is only half true.

The ETAC canted will get that bottle away from your face, and allow you to have a lower scope ring, all of which lessens the effect of the poor AirForce ergonomics.

Where you statement is half true, is that there are two different lengths of ETACS a long and a short model,

The short model does not allow you to unscrew the bottle from the gun, however with the long model you can unscrew it from the gun.

I have had both, I do not like not being able to unscrew the bottle from the gun, not for the sake of transportation, but because I used to work on the valve often. I used to have to disassemble the trigger assembly to get to the grub screws holding in the bottle collar.

I did a fix on that and drilled and tapped two grub screws in from the side. So far it seems to hold the bottle in securely, but I keep thinking I need to add two more. Now to remove the bottle I simply loosen the two screws and remove the bottle with the collar attached.

As far as the trirail, to me and being a life long rifleman and hunter,I was one of the first to cut the carring handle off an AR15 in 1980, it is very poor fix for a poor design. Raising that scope further is just not an option. It is an idea that should have been still born. With the ETAC canted you can use medium rings or even low if your scope design allows it.

You can see the two grub screws in this picture.

Regards,

Roachcreek