Co2 Talon Questions From A New Guy
Greetings To Those In Talon Land,
I have been reading this forum for a long time and have finally decided to make the plung into serious air gunning. I have an extensive background in reloading and shooting centerfire varmint rifles and revolvers. But…. I don’t know squat about air rifles and they appear to be a different animal all together. As a result, I would like to ask some questions about my .22 CO2 powered Talon (due to arrive in the mail this week) from people who know what they are taking about.
The gun will be used to hunt squirrels in Eastern Oregon (5000 ft elevation) and birds, skunks and raccoons in the Willamette Valley. So my questions are as follows:
1) Are there any quirks with this rifle (i.e. certain hold preferences or amount hold pressure on the gun itself) as I will be shooting from a bipod a lot.
2) Pellet preferences for CO2 and HPE for hunting the above animals listed?
3) What velocities can I expect from CO2 and HPA paintball tanks?
4) Is there any certain pellet loading technique that works best for the Talon?
Many thanks in advanced and I am sure I will have more questions once the gun actually arrives.
Cheers!
J.C.
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Start with CO2 to get use to your rifle and for plinking but plan to go HPA for serious hunting and temperature consistency.
For HPA you can buy a 30 cuft pony tank for $120-$150 for 8 or so fills. Look at a 3500psi or 4500psi tank for many fills between visits to the scuba shop. If you live a long way there are alternatives, like commercial nitrogen, hand pump, and shoe box compressor.
CO2 has a gas pressure of 850-1000psi depending on ambient temperature. Anything above 60F is generally good. Over 120F is bad, think tank sitting in a car during a Texas or Arizona summer.
Pellet recommendatons above are good.
Consider a laser for close engagements before the scope’s first zero…. Generally 10 yards or less.
Enjoy!!!!
Wallyworld. Hand/foot warmer packets. Just crush and they produce chemical heat for a good while. Since they are not going to get so hot as to burn skin, they might be a good application to warm a CO2 bottle on a cold day and keep your pressure and shot count up. They are rather small too, about hand size.
Fairly cheap. I never tried it myself. If you blow your balls off, I’m not to blame.
Kindest regards,
Uncle H 😯 😯 T
I got a pair of electric socks, heats a 20 oz. bottle good use both at the same time, smokin hot!!
Talon .22 CO2 data in 40f temperature:
Talon CO2(Power Wheel 10)Â Â Â Â Â Â FPSÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Ave. FPS
Crosman Premier HPÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 528.6/529/526.3Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 527.9Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
RWS Meist                              528.4/529.6/529.4         529.1              Â
RWS H-Point                            512.1/515.5/513.9         513.8              Â
RWS SP Extra                         543.1/530.5/522.8         532.1              Â
Beeman H&N                           533/534.8/527.3            531.7               Crosman Pt                             529.8/530.7/529.5         530                 Â
Gammo MPÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 509.1/509.6/502.4Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 507Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
Not real happy about the FPS data. Hopefully it will increase with warmer weather. The power 10 setting was the fastest setting for the pellets, but wasted a lot of CO2. Backed it off to power wheel 4 setting for about 500 FPS average and most consistent besides the 10 setting.
Hope this helps,
🙂
You old Queen…you….
You’re not getting into my shorts THAT easily!
Regards,
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot
…or hoot will begin staring through your window… 😯
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Soon, grasshopper….very soon….the [b]Dark Side[/b] will come calling to you with it’s perfumed breath.
Our lost souls await your company.
Regards,
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot 😯
bonedaisy…
it just gets better(or worse, dpending who you ask)
To All In Talon Land,
I got my Talon this week and all I can say is WOW! That thing is fun to shoot and is very accurate. I have not problem shooting 30 to 40 yards on the CO2. I almost enjoy shooting this as much as my 22 K-Hornet rifle. Definitely going to have fun squirrel hunting with this gun. Very happy about my choice.
Thanks,
J.C.
Hey guys,
Thanks for the information. You’re probable right in that I will eventually end up with a HPA set up. Especially if I am going to be shooting skunks and coons. Just to let everyone know, I live in the country on a 45 acre farm. So I don’t have to worry about city rules and regulations regarding firearm discharge. I even have my own rifle and pistol shooting range. I consider myself very lucky to have my own range.
Please keep your comments coming my way, as I greatly appreciate them. 2 more days until the gun arrives. 🙂
Thanks,
J.C.
1. hoot, put down the thinner and the rag…1600 psi from co2??nah…
2.the delrin piece on the co2 hiflo valve should be turned down a little or replaced with a piece with better flow, the seal in mine is just WAY big around, limiting flow(co2 isnt as picky as hpa about aerodynamics…)
When released from pressure, liquid CO2 vaporizes into gas at 1600 psi, so your shots will be receiving a 1600 psi gas charge when you pull the trigger.
That pressure will most normally get you anywhere from 650 to 750 fps with a 14.6gr pellet, dependent on outside air temperature.
There are a few tricks to keep the psi up in C02 in cold weather, including the use of some chemical hand warmers that will heat the tank up to 90 degrees or so. Also, insulating the tank well, or shooting from inside the house out a window will keep your gas pressure at maximum.
The C02 cylinders are certified for around 1800 psi. I have had mine up to 3000 psi with HPA. I’m nuts, but in an educated way, so I don’t recommend you try this. I have also had my CO2 cyinder out in 100 degree heat. Consider that a means to “supercharge” CO2.
You’ll get 100’s of shots from a tank. Properly understood, with it’s limits taken into consideration, you can do very well with CO2.
The key to taking out large varmints, such as raccoon’s and possum, is to keep your shot within 50 to 100 feet. Usually not too hard in a backyard. Try for a head shot to ensure a sure kill. Don’t be surprised when they start to “break dance” after being hit. Like chickens, they tend to hop about a bit before their soul leaves their body.
When you go to high pressure air, and you eventually will, remember that CO2 converter valve on your Talon is actually a Condor valve attached to a CO2 tank with a large black thread converter piece. Pick up a used tank, unscrew the valve from the thread converter, screw the Condor valve into the used HPA tank. Bingo, you are ready to shoot hard and fast.
Take care.
Hoot
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I have been reading this forum for a long time and have finally decided to make the plung into serious air gunning. I have an extensive background in reloading and shooting centerfire varmint rifles and revolvers. But…. I don’t know squat about air rifles and they appear to be a different animal all together. As a result, I would like to ask some questions about my .22 CO2 powered Talon (due to arrive in the mail this week) from people who know what they are taking about.
The gun will be used to hunt squirrels in Eastern Oregon (5000 ft elevation) and birds, skunks and raccoons in the Willamette Valley. So my questions are as follows:
1) Are there any quirks with this rifle (i.e. certain hold preferences or amount hold pressure on the gun itself) as I will be shooting from a bipod a lot.
2) Pellet preferences for CO2 and HPE for hunting the above animals listed?
3) What velocities can I expect from CO2 and HPA paintball tanks?
4) Is there any certain pellet loading technique that works best for the Talon?
Many thanks in advanced and I am sure I will have more questions once the gun actually arrives.
Cheers!
J.C.
1.whatever hold is comfy for ya, but try to tend toward a loose springer type hold. did you order a trirail or a 1 piece scope mount? frame flex can be an issue if youre a bit heavy handed.
2.short list:kodiak/baracuda, crosman premier, jsb exact.( predator polymag and beeman silver arrow.work for me, but i seem to be the exception).
3.velocities can vary by pellet weight, temperature, consult AF site or the adapter pamphlet with your gun for approximates. HPA wont be sensitive to temp., co2 in winter will be a bit weak for raccoons
4.just load firmly as far as your thumb can put it, leaving maybe a sliver of bore showing between rear of pellet and end of breech. if theres any hanging out, your tank WILL dump.
good luck with the co2, it may be a bit challenging as tough as them coons are, but not impossible…
in summation… :tag:
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Hoot,
If I blow my balls off with my air gun then I must be doing something that I should not be doing with it in the first. If you know what I mean.
🙂