Brass pot S510
Does anyone know if this pot pushes in, or screws in?
From what I’ve been able to find, the S410 screwed in, but the S510 appears to be a push in pot.
???
H 😯 😯 T
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Well, Hoot, in this case, leaving the s510 well enough alone is kinda like leaving a T-bone steak well enough alone-pretty damn good! 😀
It’ll nail a mouse at 40-50 yds. If you want to hunt grasshoppers, you’ll need to get closer, or better yet, get a chicken! mmmm…chicken
You’ll have to trim that pot down or replace it with something.
It sticks out too far in its stock size and gets in the way of the regulator, but is used to retain the valve spring.
Mine was held in by a small set screw which is accessed through a small hole in the reservoir tube threads.
Y, the Alteros regulator replaces the brass pot in its entirety, and does not vent to the outside. His regulator looks exactly like an extra long AA brass pot.
This is where I begin to squirm. There seems to be no real return in putting a regulator in the S4XX/5XX series. I believe it’s air capacity is 242cc, and that’s good for about 30 – 40 shots at high, or near high power. I do gain a lower fps deviation between shots, that is proven. However, I never shoot beyond 100 to 150 feet, and I don’t believe the reg will tighten up my groups to make a difference to me. Got to remember I’m 69, with two repaired, detached retinas, and my vision and grip are not that of you minute of angle guys. Those days are gone and I have to be satisfied with minute of eyeball shots on local critters.
At this point, I’m thinking I’ll just stick with my plan to get a factory regulated gun. No sense trying to make the AA S510 more than it isn’t.
Regards,
H 😯 😯 T
Thanks Shaggy. I’ll check out the links.
It should be made clear, Hoot and I are sharing interesting family histories and stories; it’s not a “who suffered the most” contest. That would be impossible. Human misery knows no boundaries, whether a Nazi is pouring boiling oil down your throat, A Rwandan is hacking off your arms, or the Allies are burning people alive (by accident) with Phosphorous bombs in Dresden, there are, unfortunately, too many tales of tragedy. The suffering and death are lessons, but short, terrible ones.
What holds us together, stories of how people survived and how they lived, teaches us. It is the lessons of survival, perseverance and ingenuity which are fascinating and make some of the best stories. (O’course Hoot can whip up a good tall tale out of his…………uh, nowhere.) After all, we don’t need to learn much in order to die, we need lessons on staying alive.
A-Men now that was a post that really makes sence.. Living together and learning to live and let live, and get rid of the greed and shoot more Air guns, I love em, can’t get enought. 😀
It’s remarkable how these threads twist and turn. Starts with a question about a gun part (Hoot started it!) and goes everywhere.
Thanks Shaggy. I’ll check out the links.
It should be made clear, Hoot and I are sharing interesting family histories and stories; it’s not a “who suffered the most” contest. That would be impossible. Human misery knows no boundaries, whether a Nazi is pouring boiling oil down your throat, A Rwandan is hacking off your arms, or the Allies are burning people alive (by accident) with Phosphorous bombs in Dresden, there are, unfortunately, too many tales of tragedy. The suffering and death are lessons, but short, terrible ones.
What holds us together, stories of how people survived and how they lived, teaches us. It is the lessons of survival, perseverance and ingenuity which are fascinating and make some of the best stories. (O’course Hoot can whip up a good tall tale out of his…………uh, nowhere.) After all, we don’t need to learn much in order to die, we need lessons on staying alive.
Hoot,
You’ll have to trim that pot down or replace it with something.
It sticks out too far in its stock size and gets in the way of the regulator, but is used to retain the valve spring.
Mine was held in by a small set screw which is accessed through a small hole in the reservoir tube threads.
I hope we don’t go back to “the good ole (miserable, starving, etc.) days”; there’s so many more people now, it’d be one helluva mess. Arming is prudent, for many other reasons. Truth is, IF civilization/order corrodes, a hidden cache of food is really important. My grandfather had a secret root cellar; you had to unscrew planks in a tool shed to find the stairway down. They’d always carry a bucket and mop back and forth, so no one knew they were getting food. Between the Nazis and the Russians, the whole place was starving. When mom’s family had to leave, they were in the same boat.
We’re all in the states, thank God, except an uncle in Australia. When mom was observing the US soldiers (the fall of Nazi Germany), she was amazed that grunt soldiers had oranges; only rich folks had oranges in Lithuania, even in good times. That was but one reason they said “Let’s go there!” Now, the folks live in Florida, with their own orange tree. Heck, even though they’re in their 70s, they went back to Lithuania and Italy, with my brother, to visit. The only terrible thing involved my brother:
If the Lithuanians (first to fight/leave the USSR) do anything that ranks amongst the world’s best, it’s smoked hams. It’s in the culture like bread. Bro’ had a bunch of it to bring back to the states and customs took every bit…damn. But really, most of us have a hard time complaining about anything; it’s all small potatoes.
Well, huddled in a closet with my old man while Hurricane Charlie tore the house apart really sucked; but, that’s another story.
😉
You people don’t know what hard times is.
http://www.mcdowellwv.com/cemeteries/kennedycem.html These kids starved and froze to death and never had a chance in Hell. Some are my Cousins. My great grandpa was Jewish and my moms dad was Scottish, And Israel is ran by the Russian Communist that calls themselves Jews,, Bull-Shit… They are even killing Jews in Israel,, My Uncle was killed in WW-2 fighting while others here was starving and dying from the cold, in a Coal ran community, how about that? Slab houses Baldwin Felts(Rokefellerowned) killed the only Politician we had that was worth a dime, and they also killed Us too if we talked according to the old folk,,, Yep Arm your selves the Rockefellers are still in power and so is the Rothschilds,, If I stepped on some toes I don’t give a Shit, cause the Graves you see in the above link are kids that didn’t even get to see the light of day. It’s a horrible death to freeze to Death,, ask any Concentration camp Jew(Real Jew) that is.. 😯
I won’t rant on just Google the Baldwin Felts and read a Real story where I was brought up. My dad in law faught against them,, yep a war in America that no one knew existed.
http://www.mcdowellwv.com/articles/baldwin.html
I hope we don’t go back to “the good ole (miserable, starving, etc.) days”; there’s so many more people now, it’d be one helluva mess. Arming is prudent, for many other reasons. Truth is, IF civilization/order corrodes, a hidden cache of food is really important. My grandfather had a secret root cellar; you had to unscrew planks in a tool shed to find the stairway down. They’d always carry a bucket and mop back and forth, so no one knew they were getting food. Between the Nazis and the Russians, the whole place was starving. When mom’s family had to leave, they were in the same boat.
We’re all in the states, thank God, except an uncle in Australia. When mom was observing the US soldiers (the fall of Nazi Germany), she was amazed that grunt soldiers had oranges; only rich folks had oranges in Lithuania, even in good times. That was but one reason they said “Let’s go there!” Now, the folks live in Florida, with their own orange tree. Heck, even though they’re in their 70s, they went back to Lithuania and Italy, with my brother, to visit. The only terrible thing involved my brother:
If the Lithuanians (first to fight/leave the USSR) do anything that ranks amongst the world’s best, it’s smoked hams. It’s in the culture like bread. Bro’ had a bunch of it to bring back to the states and customs took every bit…damn. But really, most of us have a hard time complaining about anything; it’s all small potatoes.
Well, huddled in a closet with my old man while Hurricane Charlie tore the house apart really sucked; but, that’s another story.
😉
You people don’t know what hard times is.
http://www.mcdowellwv.com/cemeteries/kennedycem.html These kids starved and froze to death and never had a chance in Hell. Some are my Cousins. My great grandpa was Jewish and my moms dad was Scottish, And Israel is ran by the Russian Communist that calls themselves Jews,, Bull-Shit… They are even killing Jews in Israel,, My Uncle was killed in WW-2 fighting while others here was starving and dying from the cold, in a Coal ran community, how about that? Slab houses Baldwin Felts(Rokefellerowned) killed the only Politician we had that was worth a dime, and they also killed Us too if we talked according to the old folk,,, Yep Arm your selves the Rockefellers are still in power and so is the Rothschilds,, If I stepped on some toes I don’t give a Shit, cause the Graves you see in the above link are kids that didn’t even get to see the light of day. It’s a horrible death to freeze to Death,, ask any Concentration camp Jew(Real Jew) that is.. 😯
Hoot, great story, sounds like a book or movie. Thanks for sharing it, wow. Sounds like your folks saw the backfire that was Prohibition? Had no idea the mobs’ were running in so many areas.
I hope we don’t go back to “the good ole (miserable, starving, etc.) days”; there’s so many more people now, it’d be one helluva mess. Arming is prudent, for many other reasons. Truth is, IF civilization/order corrodes, a hidden cache of food is really important. My grandfather had a secret root cellar; you had to unscrew planks in a tool shed to find the stairway down. They’d always carry a bucket and mop back and forth, so no one knew they were getting food. Between the Nazis and the Russians, the whole place was starving. When mom’s family had to leave, they were in the same boat.
We’re all in the states, thank God, except an uncle in Australia. When mom was observing the US soldiers (the fall of Nazi Germany), she was amazed that grunt soldiers had oranges; only rich folks had oranges in Lithuania, even in good times. That was but one reason they said “Let’s go there!” Now, the folks live in Florida, with their own orange tree. Heck, even though they’re in their 70s, they went back to Lithuania and Italy, with my brother, to visit. The only terrible thing involved my brother:
If the Lithuanians (first to fight/leave the USSR) do anything that ranks amongst the world’s best, it’s smoked hams. It’s in the culture like bread. Bro’ had a bunch of it to bring back to the states and customs took every bit…damn. But really, most of us have a hard time complaining about anything; it’s all small potatoes.
Well, huddled in a closet with my old man while Hurricane Charlie tore the house apart really sucked; but, that’s another story.
😉
Well Uncle Hoot, that explains alot. It’s always so pleasing to hear your kind of story. The story of someone who has survived hard times and achieved beyond what those circunstances tried to dictate. Good for you Uncle Hoot! Thanks for sharing.
Interesting life’s story Bog. Thank you for that interesting insight into your families history.
Many of this forum’s members have led lives of “interesting” events, and more than one has paid a dear price to get where he/she is today. Now and then they share…sparingly, what they lived through.
My mama was a part time whore, alcoholic, and homemaker. she was illiterate. A body did what was necessary to eat and sleep inside back then.
My father was a professional alcoholic, and worked for a mob called the “Shelton Brothers” down in Southern Illinois. They were a mean, bloodthirsty lot, and would just as soon steal, or kill, a poor person as a rich one.
My father was a dice “Mechanic” in a gambling parlor above a tavern known as the “Oasis”. As a joke, he put his occupation on my birth certificate as “Mechanic”. For years I didn’t understand why. The man didn’t know which end of a hammer to hold. It took me awhile to figure it out.
The Oasis served the best hamburger in Richland County. They ran .35 cents apiece, which was .15 cents higher than anywhere else in town, but they were twice as big, and he used big slices of sweet pickles, and those big thick red Bermuda sweet onion slices on them. .35 cents was a LOT of money in 1949, and we didn’t get them but a few times a year.
In my early childhood, I was introduced to murderers, robbers, car thieves, and small time mobsters, that came to visit our humble little shack. Let there be one thing made clear, these kind of people didn’t pay well. If you “did the deed” you got the most money, everyone else was paid a lacky wage for working the cards and dice, and running the money back and forth from Southern Illinois over to rural Missouri and Kentucky. My old man was such an employee, thus didn’t cash in. We damn near starved. We raised chickens to eat, and my pants were hand sewed from the chicken feed bags which were a heavy cotton bag with different designs on them, so people could reuse them during the second world war, and Korea, for blouses, skirts, and such. Raw materials were in short supply until well into the 1950’s.
An interesting side note, one of my father’s friends was Charles “Blackie” Harris. He was a stone cold killer. I met him just a few times, the last being 1960 when he just got out of prison, and was fishing in the lake just outside of Olney, Illinois. He was a well mannered, polite, reserved, man who never once killed anyone he didn’t honestly believe needed killing! Here’s a link:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=54483980
I remember my mother saving up $2.00 for a 1/4 ton of coal for the coal shed, and us trying to make it last all winter in that pot bellied stove in the living room. Homes in those days had a kitchen, a couple bedrooms, a living room, and if lucky…an indoor commode. No bathtub. No water heater. If you were little, you bathed in the kitchen sink. Adults used a wash cloth and a towel next to the kitchen sink.
We did have two luxuries, an electric AM radio that was just strong enough to pick up the local radio station, and three or four electrical outlets in the house. As for lights, there was one that hung down from a cord from the living room ceiling. A bare bulb with a simple pull string off/on switch.
My mother was eventually murdered by her live-in boyfriend, my father had died of alcoholic poisoning many years prior to her demise. I was long gone by then. I would suppose I’m closer to your mother’s generation than yours. Times are different now. Back then, “HardScrabble” was a word often used to describe conditions that we lived in. You never hear that term used today, but it was the way of life back then. Quite frankly, I believe we are returning to those times, and in the not too distant future. Furthermore, I believe a lot of people are going to get real upset about it. I have but two words of advice: Arm Yourself!
Pardon my ranting about the past. At times those bad memories come flooding back to me, and I am amazed at how we can forget bad times and simply move on with our lives. My story is not unique, but there are getting to be fewer and fewer of us to tell these events. I think they serve as a wakeup call to today’s society. Times are more often hard than good!
By the way, Bog,….I believe you hit the nail on the head about putting a regulator on a carbine with limited power, and air capacity to begin with, and with me shooting no more than 100 to 150 feet. I think I’ll just skip that step.
I am, however, kind of curious about making it a bullpup with the Prekador kits. Kinda expensive at $400, but mercy…they do make a nice Walnut stock!
I’ll try to post some pictures of the AA S510 ten today, after I get some fps/fpe initial results gathered. Accuracy, with me being 69, two detached retinas lasered back into place, wouldn’t not show any potential for you other fellas. I’ll just skip that, unless I have an extra good day with vision.
By the way, Bog, did you make it to the States, or still live in Eastern Europe?
Kindest regards,
Uncle H 😯 😯 T
Hoot, thanks for the concern. Truth is, I was a bottle baby, God knows what was in that crud. Mom was full of DDT from the Nazi refugee camps, and malnourished. Took two+ years to get out of Germany, from war-ravaged Lithuania. Got her story, along with my Godmother’s, may she rip, on tape…unreal. They were lucky as shit, blondes w/blue eyes helped a lot.
Anyway, the 80 fps spread does sound like a lot, it may only make a small poi difference in the useful range of the gun. I’m guessing you’ve punched a pile of paper at different ranges? Comparison before and after will be interesting. How is it accuracy now?
The Alteros regulator limits to adjustment are damn close to the bar performance threshold in the stock s510, which in my gun, seems to be 150 bar. Maybe the pot is only charged to 140, but you see what I’m wondering? It would seem a better “fit” if the upper limit was, say 160, just in case. If you’re pretty sure it’s around 140, no worry.
It’s not that much money, but there’s your time. You got the carbine, right? The reg. might be a bit more useful with the shorter barrel. Who knows?
Bog…I worry more about you than the others.
By any chance did your mama have inverted nipples? That can cause brain damage in an infant from too much vacuum in the head while attempting to suckle! Might want to have your head pressure checked out.
Anyway, the Alteros reg is adjustable from 100 to 150 Bar by rotating the end piece left to right. It apparently opens something up inside.
The AA is not regulated, but does have a 6″X1/2″ brass pot inside the pressure tube that fits in the pressure tube outlet to the breech. My experience has shown a substantial psi rise and drop from 1st shot to 40th. From shot 1 through 20, my fps rises by forty, then from 21 through 40 I’m dropping back down 40 fps. That’s an 80 fps overall change. I’d like to tighten that up a bit.
The Alteros reg won’t increase my shot count, but will tighten up the fps per shot and hopefully increase accuracy.
My AA S510 is due back this afternoon from the machinist who made a 1″ OD full shroud, with very effective baffles, to replace the 3/4″ shroud AA put on the gun.
Now I’m trying to decide if $120 USD is worth the regulator for a 30-40 shot rifle with 40 fps up/40 fps down through the shot count.
I have no idea of what to expect.
Kindest regards,
Uncle H 😯 😯 T
Greetings from Mecca Hoot! Now I’m wondering what’s going on w/ the s510? I thought you weren’t going to mess with a regulator, since it “wasn’t broke”? You going ahead with the “operation”?
Oh, and I gots more than 1/16th wit. Yessir, I’m double that. I’m at least a 1/32nd.
Seriously 😯 Since the Alteros regulator “replaces” the pot, this regulator has a pot of its own? Sorry, tryin to learn something and a bit cornfuzed by “this is the piece replaced by the Alteros regulator, which simply replaces the Pot, and allows air within the Pot to be released at a pre-set Bar setting, usually about 140.”
I’m guessing the Alteros reg. can be adjusted, if needed?
There’s a regulator in my Royale, but I’ve not opened the thing up. If it ain’t broke, don’t break it. It sounds like (correct me if I’m wrong), the regulator is basically setting up a single shot air chamber/charge with a predetermined volume/pressure of air, bled from the main tank. yes? If this isn’t already in the AA s510, what makes them so darned accurate?
Damn it Hoot, now you got me thinking….If the regulator has a control valve, (+return shutoff spring?) to a set pressure, will the regulator stop filling, i.e. gun stops firing, if the main tank pressure drops below the pressure set in the regulator? Or does back pressure close the reg. intake so a low tank pressure basically causes the reg to stay open, like a tube?
If the answers, corrections or explanations are too tedious, I can go back to “ook ook eek eek” oh…nice comic!
Hoot, did you see my post near the top, telling you exactly what you want to know?
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I hope we don’t go back to “the good ole (miserable, starving, etc.) days”; there’s so many more people now, it’d be one helluva mess. Arming is prudent, for many other reasons. Truth is, IF civilization/order corrodes, a hidden cache of food is really important. My grandfather had a secret root cellar; you had to unscrew planks in a tool shed to find the stairway down. They’d always carry a bucket and mop back and forth, so no one knew they were getting food. Between the Nazis and the Russians, the whole place was starving. When mom’s family had to leave, they were in the same boat.
We’re all in the states, thank God, except an uncle in Australia. When mom was observing the US soldiers (the fall of Nazi Germany), she was amazed that grunt soldiers had oranges; only rich folks had oranges in Lithuania, even in good times. That was but one reason they said “Let’s go there!” Now, the folks live in Florida, with their own orange tree. Heck, even though they’re in their 70s, they went back to Lithuania and Italy, with my brother, to visit. The only terrible thing involved my brother:
If the Lithuanians (first to fight/leave the USSR) do anything that ranks amongst the world’s best, it’s smoked hams. It’s in the culture like bread. Bro’ had a bunch of it to bring back to the states and customs took every bit…damn. But really, most of us have a hard time complaining about anything; it’s all small potatoes.
Well, huddled in a closet with my old man while Hurricane Charlie tore the house apart really sucked; but, that’s another story.
😉
You people don’t know what hard times is.
http://www.mcdowellwv.com/cemeteries/kennedycem.html These kids starved and froze to death and never had a chance in Hell. Some are my Cousins. My great grandpa was Jewish and my moms dad was Scottish, And Israel is ran by the Russian Communist that calls themselves Jews,, Bull-Shit… They are even killing Jews in Israel,, My Uncle was killed in WW-2 fighting while others here was starving and dying from the cold, in a Coal ran community, how about that? Slab houses Baldwin Felts(Rokefellerowned) killed the only Politician we had that was worth a dime, and they also killed Us too if we talked according to the old folk,,, Yep Arm your selves the Rockefellers are still in power and so is the Rothschilds,, If I stepped on some toes I don’t give a Shit, cause the Graves you see in the above link are kids that didn’t even get to see the light of day. It’s a horrible death to freeze to Death,, ask any Concentration camp Jew(Real Jew) that is.. 😯
Jolo, Bradshaw and I think … Yager. My Dad grew up there. Made a lot of trips there when I was a boy. A lot of folks in the upper Appalachians still have a rough time of it.
Back in my teenage years I thought the people, the culture and the music was stuck in a time warp and needed to catch up with the rest of the world, but now when I go back its like drinking water from a well. I would move back today if my wife would agree to it. So I guess for now Im stuck in this glorified swamp called Florida 🙄