Safety removal
Hi guys, got a chance finally to try a shot with my newly acquired Condor.
Installed the 12″ .22 barrel as I haven’t obtained any .25 pellets yet, and screwed on an air tank, stepped out back, cocked and loaded an Exact Jumbo 15.9 gr., pushed off the safety and whamo the thing fired. Safe muzzle control at all times is very important and this incident proved that fact once again. 😯
Might I add that the muzzle blast was incredible, preload setting at about 6.5. I too did the scramble in the house, lock down and hide under the bed expecting any moment to hear unmarked gunships to hovering overhead.
My question is this, I want to disable the safety and have been checking the Quick Reference section, the Condor Section, search feature, etc for a couple of days before I finally decided I neededto post this. Apparently, I’m not using the correct search terms.
In any case, from what I could see, it seems the only part I need to remove is the safety bar correct as all the other parts appear to be integral with the trigger function. The safety bar I have has a black cover, not the red one.
Can someone please confirm if the safety bar is the only thing necessary to be removed and if not what is required to properly disable the safety?
Thanks guys,
Tb
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Take out the two forward roll pins, then remove 1,2,3,4 and move spring 6 forward a little under the striker (hammer) release.
Then replace the two roll pins.
Unfortunately, no. However the schematic illustrates the problem well. The part in question is located so that it actuates before the hammer release (#5) resets during the cocking cycle. This applies spring tension on the hammer release while it is still depressed. When the hammer clears the release bar, the bar rises until the safety block (#3) engages the trigger release. Since the hammer release is near the end of it’s travel, spring tension is insufficient to overcome the bind applied by the safety block, and so the release does not correctly reset the sear (#8). As a result, you release the safety block from under a hammer release that isn’t restrained by the sear. Effectively, the trigger remains “pulled” from the previous shot.
The problem is basically one of mismatched spring tensions that may be exacerbated by slop in the mechanism. I can’t imagine a reliable repair other than removing the auto safety toggle (not pictured) that initiates the mis-timed sequence.
On edit:
The taper of the release surface allows #3 to apply pressure to #5 before it engages #8.
John
maybe someone can tell you what parts (numbers) to remove using this picture i dont know i have never done it
You need to remove the breech, hammer, and spring out the back. You will see the hammer lock forward and the safety reset toggle rearward, about at the edge of the breech opening. Remove the pin directly under the toggle slot and pull the toggle out through the top. Replace the pin and the link you’ve already removed and you should be fine.
Hi John, you’re right, I couldn’t fire. As I understand, I will have to drift out a pin and remove the safety mechanism and spring, is this correct?
Tb
It sounds like you’ve left the auto safety intact and removed the link which releases the safety mechanism. Will the gun fire?
John
I believe I have the ‘old style’, it is a round wire not a flat bar. I removed the safety bar and the tiny spring, but for now have left the horizontal spring and the safety piece retained in the frame.
Do I need to also remove the safety piece and horizontal spring to ensure proper trigger function?
Sorry for all the newbie questions.
Tb
It does sound like it might be the old style safety thats acting up here again. I hope its the old one. I hoped the new trigger group would have solved this problem 😕
Some pics would be good.
Wait do you have a little bar safety with a black cover instead of a red cover or is it a black blade style safety ??? I don’t know why no one else asked this question my red cover fell off my safety long ago and if it wasn’t for a member here I never would have got a new red cover. Some members suggested different style covers most not the color red just saying
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John, thanx for clarifying the decocking mod. Great point too Knife thanx.
I’m not a machinist but by looking at the schematic of the trigger group, if AF put a secondary helper spring closer to the sear end would that not eliminate the sear from wanting to suddenly jar when the automatic safety was disengaged? Just saying is all..
Tb
I don’t blame you TB. If I can do it with a muzzle loader, a hammer shot gun, a single action pistol, or a cocked double action, I don’t see the problem with easing the hammer down on an airgun. None what so ever! 😉
Knife
The problem occurs in the auto safety mechanism. The decock mod eliminates this features, leaving you with manual safety. This allows you to decock the rifle, but more importantly, it prevents the safety from holding the hammer when the trigger mechanism has not correctly engaged.
Once done, the safety only engages when you operate the safety switch. You get all the advantages of removing the safety entirely while retaining the safety function should you choose, and you’ll probably find that useful. It’s also easier.
John
thanks for the responses guys, by decocking then if I want to shoot I’ll have to cock again and the safety resets. I’d prefer to not have to deal with holding the cocking handle to remove take the safety off before each shot, that’s why I want to remove it to begin with. Or am I just not properly understanding what the procedure is?
Tb
Why they will not address issues with their products is beyond me. 😕
Knife
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Hey guys, been forever since I last posted, finally got around to removing the safety springs and link. Those cross pins were a bit cantakerous LOL. Nonetheless, I got everything back together and it cocks and releases just fine :).
Thanks to everyone for their help, I really appreciate it!
Next project is to finish drilling relief holes in the bottom of the frame between the two barrel rings, make an end cap for the aluminum frame extension tube and set everything up. Hoping to get that done early in the week and then see how it all comes together.
Also, just received my Hawke SF 4-16 Varmint scope and mounts and will have to get that installed too 🙂
All the best gang
Tb