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Volume vs Pressure

Okay I have been researching PCPs for the last year trying to decide what I should buy and what the best setup is. I pulled the trigger and have had a Condor SS 25 for 3 weeks now, and would really like to regulate it for more shots and lower spread on fps. I really want power and shot count and everyone says it’s impossible, but my mind says different so off to thermo and fluid dynamics to figure it out.

I had a targeted velocity with a specific weight and worked toward the best efficiency of that energy. I began attempting to figure out the best regulated pressure, and what I found out was surprising.

The regulator acts as both an orifice and flow regulator, so I needed to figure out a chamber between the regulator and valve to maintain a constant pressure to the barrel. I found the open regulator to crippling the efficiency and power, in other words a bottle to provide one shot is the most efficient unless the regulator does not restrict flow. The calculations I ran showed that for each barrel length, specific projectile, and velocity the single shot tank volume and valve open time changed.

Here are the thoughts I have observed from calculations.

1. At the perfect pressure for the particular barrel, projectile, and velocity the single shot chamber should be as large as possible. In other words the pressure drop from the time the valve opens to the time the valve closes should be 0. The tank size is not as critical for lighter pellets.
For example:
25 cal 32gr at 900fps with a 490cc tank @ 1600psi will push the pellet to 900fps and can be refilled with a 490cc tank @ 3000 psi 72 times. With a 17cc tank @ 1600psi (900fps) can be refilled with a 490cc tank @ 3000 psi 67 times.
25 cal 50gr at 900fps with a 490cc tank @ 2200psi will push the pellet to 900fps and can be refilled with a 490cc tank @ 3000 psi 23 times. With a 17cc tank @ 2200psi (900fps) can be refilled with a 490cc tank @ 3000 psi 19 times.

2. A bigger tank does not necessarily mean higher quantity of shots or higher velocity, it may only add 2 to 3 more shots than a smaller tank.

Theories and calculations cannot replicate actual testing. These calculations will help me get in the neighborhood of what I want, before I spend hours trying to achieve it. So when I get the money together and find a fabricator my intentions is to build a small tank 4ci (65cc) and fit it with my high flow spin-lock tank valve. Mount bellow the small tank my AF 490cc tank. The 490cc tank will have a regulator then be plumbed into an on/off valve and then to the fill side of the original AF valve. According to my calculations this should give me around 70 shots of a 32gr JSB at 900fps.

Now I need to figure out how to get my valve to stay open the perfect amount of time.

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Lov’n it Doug! sounds GREAT!!!

Rember back when? You know, when you said a reg wouldn’t work on a .25! :rofl:

Told ya so!!! 😀

I knew you culd do it if you put your mind to it! :8: :2:

Knife

62 ci is 3000 psi.

24″ TJ’s 25 auto barrel.
jds airman modified reg set at 1800 psi

Right now TH is shimed to to shoot in the 930’s. I just shot and here’s what I get on 1800 psi
25.4 gr JSB’s go 933 fps
27.1 gr benji’s go 905 fps
31 gr Kodiak went 882 fps.
43.2 gr eugin go 785 fps.
69.4 gr Lyman 257420 HP sized to .251 go 655 fps
70 gr LBT .251 go 655 fps.

If I pull the .040″ shim I get 25 more fps on the pellets not sure about the heavy stuff.

I really like my .25 now. So quiet and shoots amazing.

Knife
I had read somewhere that the 32 JSB packaging has been done post christmas this year and first shipment will be this summer. I will have to look back and see where I saw that, I guess I will be shooting the Baracudas till then.

Dyotat
I have admired your work and seen your regulator setup. Is your 62ci tank a 4500psi tank, if so it is 3 times the volume as the AF tank? Can you share a little about that setup; regulator pressure, velocity, and barrel length. I assume your pre-chamber is around 1.5ci?

As for 50 grain, I believe it’s possible the problem being holding the valve open long enough; that is where the shooting system, theory, and real world collide. This is a theory of course, I will trust you on that. I hope I can prove you wrong but wont be surprised if I can’t.

Real world is 905 fps on 1800 psi with 31gr Kodiak’s.

No way 2200 psi is going to push 50 gr at 900 fps.

I have a chamber after my reg that the valve sets in. I get over a 100 shots on a 62 ci tank shooting 25.4 gr JSB’s

Shame JSB soesn’t make a 32 gr .5 cal pellet. Wish they did! We’ve been waiting patently for promised said pellet for YEARS!!! 👿

Knife

PV=nRT

That should help you.

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