177 and 22/25 valve difference ….
What are the differences between the 177 and 22/25 Condor valve . Is it just the spring at the bottom of the top hat ? Does any one have pictures of both of the valves
opened up for comparison .
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For what it’s worth, the TT one-piece tophat only fits the Condor and TalonP. That tells me the high-flow is unique internally. (The pistol valve has different external dimensions.)
John
Ok I have obtained the standard flow hpa tank valve assembly . The standard valve is very different with a much smaller diameter orafice and smaller diameter stem and tophat opening. The spring appears stiffer but that may be due to backpressure ofvthe tank.
The co2 valve obviously is wider with a much thicker and hollowed out stem and bigger port. The tophat between the two is not interchangable. I dont have a highflow but I would guess that the co2 and hiflow are prolly similiar with maybe diff spring tension?
I had a 24″ .177 barrel on a TSS with a HF valve. It was very difficult to cut the power down to make it usable. It will soon be .25.
There is a problem. if you use a hi- flow valve, in a 177 setup, due to back pressure, causing tank dump, whew!!
I’ll take a stab at answering your questions though others here may have better information.
The only difference I find in the valves is the spring inside the valve, with the .177 being thicker and stiffer. The CO2 valves are the same and .177 is the same for air as CO2. You can shoot any caliber with any valve if you don’t care about accuracy, though the .22 valve with .177 barrel will probably pass some air around the breach. The valves are easy enough to change out, just be sure to let ALL of the air out of the tank FIRST. There may be a slight power loss using a .177 valve with the .22 or .25 but it is minimal and the power wheel or top hat adjustment should take care of that no problem.
Using the CO2 adapter you can use a standard paintball tank with or without regulator. If you use a paintball tank regulator you will have a very weak firing rifle since CO2 is typically regulated to about 700 to 800 psi and even though denser than air that is still pretty low performance in my opinion. The JDS regulators and the CO2 adapter will allow you to use HPA in a paintball tank no problem. I would recommend getting the reg set around 1700 psi, much more than that and you are just wasting air out the barrel.
Please forgive if this is a lame question as I am a newbie, but I was wonder what the differences are with the various valves such as the physical specs. for CO2 vs .177 vs .22/.25
It appears that there is interoperatibility amoungst them all but with a performance tradeoff?
If I had a stock .25 I could use it with a .177 barrel and not have to buy a new tank/valve assembly?
Or if I procurred a Condor with a .177 barrel but intended to eventually change it to a .25 , I would do better to buy a .25 tank and valve rather than buy the .177 now and need to get a .25 later? What is the physical differences? And the CO2? Is it good for anything and/or everything? Is the CO2 good future mod material for hpa later? Will the CO2 function on say a regulated paintball hpa tank? Is there any type of bulk air feed or tethered valve avail. aftermarket?
I bought a stock Gen 2 (new trig&safety?) Condor in .177 with a CO2 tank/valve for a killer deal. My intention is perhaps a .257 OR .308 IF I CAN AFFORD TO DO IT! Otherwise just .25 pellet.
jkam,
I converted my .22 Condor to 12″ .177 still using a slightly ported Condor valve with a oring .
My trick is to lighten the hammer by moving the extra Condor hammer weight to the muzzle end of the hammer spring.
I lost a lot of data due to stupid smart phone planned obsolescence
But, I use 1700 PSI and less.
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I would venture a guess that the hiflo is similiar diameter and interchangeable with that CO2 valve too. It might be a consideration if someone was to use an aftermarket paintball tank maybe?