Q:

Time for Change!!!

Hello to all. New to the forum. Love Airguns. Also love reading the posts from everyone on the forums.

I appears that there are issues with certain retailers that always keep popping up. Why doesnโ€™t everyone do something about it?

We as consumers have no right to complain if we are not willing to take action. Why should consumers be required to put up a deposit for an airgun and then wait two to three months without ever receiving the order? Because we donโ€™t seek remedy against the Retailers doing this.

I started to research this after reading the post โ€œStill waiting on mineโ€. There are countless laws that govern Internet and Phone order fulfillment. One that is most often abused is Rule 435. Rule 435 clearly states: For any consumer who places an order by phone or Internet and makes a payment (full or deposit), the Retailer has 30 days to ship the order. The clock starts ticking the day you place the order and make a payment or deposit. If the order is NOT shipped by day 30 the Retailer is required BY LAW to notify you regarding the delay and/or to make full refund of your payment.

This does not apply to: Orders placed without payment, special order or custom products. Also, if the Retailer is up front and offers a timeline of two to three months, they are only required to offer notification after the three month deadline. If the Retailer offers you a timeline for shipment (i.e. he tells you within two weeks the order will ship) he must comply with the two week deadline.

If the Retailer offers you a shipping deadline and does not have adequate inventory on hand or orders in place with expected timely delivery of merchandise he is in violation of the law. There are stiff fines levied to Retailer in violation of the law.

These links provides detailed information regarding Rule 435:
http://blog.acquitygroup.com/2009/08/06/back-orders-and-rule-435-compliance-breaking-the-law-breaking-the-law-breaking-the-law/

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

In addition there are certain Retailers who have complete disregarded for Federal and State laws related to Fair Business Practice that are in place to protect the consumer. Violation of these laws should not continue to go unreported. Retailers who monopolize certain brands by negotiating exclusive contracts with manufacturers hurts everyone. They minimize the number of retail outlets available to consumer and fix pricing levels well above what can be considered fair and equitable. In the end it is always US, the customer who ends up with the short end of the stick.

We the consumer can put an end to this. Please visit this site:
http://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws

There are laws in place that dictate how Importers and Retailers have to conduct business. Penalties for violations of these laws are very severe. Here is just a small list of Antitrust Acts that have been in place for years that are meant to govern commerce here in the United States:

Price Fixing
Group Boycotts
Exclusive Dealing or Requirement Contracts
Refusal to Supply
Advertising products without adequate inventory to supply demand
Monopolization
Exclusive Supply Agreements
Refusal to Deal

If an Importer/Retailer continues to blatantly violate these laws, then everyone reading this needs to take action. One of the easiest ways to get things started would be to report violations. This is the link to a website that allows consumers to air their grievances:

https://www.azag.gov/complaints/consumer

If enough people are willing to take action we can put an end to these abusive practices. It only takes about 10 minutes of your time.

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quote knifemaker:

Humm, I’ve never heard of AOA being even remotely referred to as the Cheapest Dealer! In fact, usually exactly the opposite. Nor have I ever heard of them being reliable. Humm???

I think he is referring to the cricket only. They are undercutting the others by $2-300 trying to put them out of business. I’ve never delt with AOA but I have heard so much crap about them that I can’t Imagin ever giving them my business.

Humm, I’ve never heard of AOA being even remotely referred to as the Cheapest Dealer! In fact, usually exactly the opposite. Nor have I ever heard of them being reliable. Humm???

quote ironcross6921:

quote renval:

deleted it on the yellow, I can’t find it, it doesn’t surprise me!

Whats going on buddy? How you been?
Which post are you looking for?

I don’t know why my post got cut off! Weird! :/
I haven’t gone shooting much, the new bike is taking all the weekends since I got her! :biggrinn:
You know how it goes! :winkn:
How are you bud? I hope you and your family are ok. We need to go shoot some GSs soon man, last time I went hunting I lost my hunting license and my hunting safety course certificate along with it on the field! I called DFG to get a copy but they told me they don’t have records of mine ๐Ÿ˜• Now I have to go to the place I took the safety course and get a copy from them, but it was so long ago that I don’t know if they still there, it was up in Gorman!

I was referring to the same post from legaleagle on the yellow, i think It got deleted it in seconds!!! I wonder why? :whistle:

the one directly relating to a seller/distributor and how they kept people waiting for longer then statues allow for.

anyways i think i know what one hes talking about, it was moved to the DBOI board if memory serves me correctly

quote renval:

deleted it on the yellow, I can’t find it, it doesn’t surprise me!

Whats going on buddy? How you been?
Which post are you looking for?

deleted it on the yellow, I can’t find it, it doesn’t surprise me!

quote Wingman NZ:

Quit whining about it and hit them where it hurts.. :2cents: just cancel the order of empty promises and buy one from Tony at Talontunes… they are in stock now.. no waiting, top service.

+1

It really is not that hard to figure out.

I have never …ever had a problem getting a gun I ordered. I only order from trusted dealers

Some people are so obsessed with saving a few buck they ignore the obvious.

I do not buy from the cheapest dealers. I buy from the most trusted ones.

Lol! :8:

quote RatRacer:

quote Wingman NZ:

I thought they were just stocking those hoping that people would get sick of waiting for a Cricket and they could finally offload the Swedish crap? :mrgreen:

That, and so Ted would have product to do vid’s of. ๐Ÿ˜›

No Im pretty sure Ted was sick of waiting for a Cricket too.. :mrgreen:

quote Wingman NZ:

I thought they were just stocking those hoping that people would get sick of waiting for a Cricket and they could finally offload the Swedish crap? :mrgreen:

That, and so Ted would have product to do vid’s of. ๐Ÿ˜›

quote Wingman NZ:

quote Redfish:

But if you wanted an fx product they are the only game in town so cancelling is not an option for some.

If you actually wanted an FX you would have much bigger problems than the waiting game… ๐Ÿ˜† who the hell actually wants an FX? ๐Ÿ˜ฏ
I thought they were just stocking those hoping that people would get sick of waiting for a Cricket and they could finally offload the Swedish crap? :mrgreen:

HAHAHA exactly what I was thinking, Had two customers complain of that when they canceled their AoA orders! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

quote Redfish:

But if you wanted an fx product they are the only game in town so cancelling is not an option for some.

If you actually wanted an FX you would have much bigger problems than the waiting game… ๐Ÿ˜† who the hell actually wants an FX? ๐Ÿ˜ฏ
I thought they were just stocking those hoping that people would get sick of waiting for a Cricket and they could finally offload the Swedish crap? :mrgreen:

Who needs FX ???? The only thing that they have going for them is the .30 ST barrel… And they won’t sell it separately..

Nothing special there.

The service they put out is the same. Regardless of the product being sold

If there sales took a dive maybe they would open there eyes

But if you wanted an fx product they are the only game in town so canceling is not an option for some.

:3: :horse: :bow:

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