Superb quality KalibrGun barrels
I was mentioning about that multiple times. Noone took me seriously.
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Ginuwine,
Discipline encompasses CONSISTENCY when shooting springers (and even PCPs). Having a consistent technique is the trick to shooting a spring-piston rifle well. You have to apply a consistent hold (when you’ve found the type your gun prefers), a consistent trigger technique and trigger-pull, and consistency in follow-through. I place great emphasis on trigger technique because a springer will amplify the movement/direction of pull much more than a PCP does when the shot breaks. Failure to faithfully incorporate even just one of these, or if you’re off just a bit on one of them, will result in the pellet landing in a different spot … and hair-pulling mania.
Thanks for sharing, discipline is the key. Maybe its time to break out my old RWS 34P and see what she really can do using some key points from you’re previous post.
I’m going to agree with TopAirMan about how true it is that some people think that it’s the gun that is the reason for inaccuracy and that often these people fail to analyze if it’s actually them that is the real problem. No offense to Freemanshooting, as I’ve seen his hunting videos and think is a good shot, but I am confident in saying that there was nothing wrong at all with his Cricket’s barrel crown before he worked on it. My Air Arms S410’s crown looks worse than his Cricket’s, but it still shoots very well.
The second photo below shows my Air Arms .22 TX200 springer, which has taught me how to really shoot and develop discipline in shooting. When I first started shooting the rifle years back, I had problems doing so accurately. I was so frustrated at the time I surmised that it was the barrel (after ruling out the other parts of the gun) that caused the problem of puzzling and inconsistent POI from a variety of pellets I tried. I did everything to try to get it to shoot well; I swapped scopes and I tore into the gun many, many times in an attempt to diagnose the issue and try to make it the most smooth-shooting springer I could. I even jammed a cleaning rod from the muzzle end out of desperation on more than a couple of occasions. Heck, I even thought I damaged the crown at that time. But I tell you, I was so disappointed in the gun. It wasn’t until I really began to pay attention to my shooting technique and the mistakes I was making. I practiced and practiced until I learned to develop a consistent and proper method of shooting my TX. And then one day, it all clicked. Not long after, I was shooting pellet on top of pellet with it.
My TX has been through hell with me, and if it had any emotion back then, it probably would’ve been crying because of what I was doing to it. It was this gun that had taught me how to really stack pellets and account for everything that goes into a perfect shot. To this day, whether it is shooting it, my Cricket, or Air Arms S410, I implement the same shooting technique which I had developed from the training I had with it. It is simply what I’ve got out of my time spent on learning how to effectively shoot my TX why I will never let it go. It became like the one teacher I had in my middle school years whom I was very displeased with from the beginning to the mid part of the school year but later developed a huge respect and admiration for because of the important lessons I had learned from him. (Man, the earth sure did rotate a lot slower back in those days.)
Personally, I’d say that if an individual really wants to learn how to shoot an air rifle, he or she should do so with a springer especially because of the latency of barrel/lock time compared to firearms. Bar none! A spring-piston gun will humble a person who claims it’s primarily the gun and not the guy (or gal) pulling the trigger. In fact, I am more impressed with a shooter who can shoot a springer with precision at 30 yards than a shooter who can shoot a PCP accurately at 50 yards.
Here is a photo of a 25-shot group done today with my TX200 at 27 yards with Beeman Kodiak 21-grain pellets. (Are they the same as H&N Barracudas?)
And here is a photo of the “teacher” (alongside my Cricket) that taught me hard lessons on shooting and helped me become a more disciplined shooter. I cannot give such an accolade to my Cricket, S410, or the first generation Condor I sold quite some time ago even though they are also able to stack pellets. My TX200 is the only one that deserves that accolade. It has remained stock all the way — no Vortek, V-Mach, or Maccari parts in it (except for longer-lasting tough-core breech O-rings). It has gone through a total of four mainsprings and five piston seals (with the fourth mainspring installed yesterday). That’s a testament to how much I shoot it. 🙂
Yes that will work, but be careful some weed-wacker line content abrasives and can round over the crown land edges.
As long as you pull straight with anything used it’s okay I’m guessing.
~ GKU
I can’t imagine why the manufacturers of weed whacker line would put an abrasive into the plastic. The extruder dies that squirts out semi-molten plastic would wear out pretty quick. If you are concerned, then get some 30 or 40 lb test monofilament fishing line. Just tie a knot on the end.
I’m not concerned, I use PatchWorm cleaning system and pull out as straight as I can.
More info for you on the use of monofilament fishing line can thrash Crowns also. :winkn:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/search?searchterm=monofilament+fishing&sort=match
~ GKU
TopAirMan :8:
I’m not one that like to over tune/modify my Airguns/PCPs.
I do like some of the things FreeManShoooting has done to his Cricket, not all.
~ GKU
Seems to be an epidemic with some folks that – 1. can’t shoot; or 2. have bad pellets; or 3. have a bad scope; or 4. all of the mentioned.
Too many do not know how, or care to analyze just what their accuracy problems are and simply blame the airgun.
I recently tested a .25 Cricket BP that the customer said wouldn’t shoot accurately even after he followed a noted tuner’s instructions to the letter. Yeah, right! When I got this Cricket I found the barrel to be indexed approximately 25 degrees out of position which tells me the owner didn’t have a clue and blamed the gun for his own ineptitude.
After re-aligning the barrel I found this Cricket to be just like all the others I’ve shot…….simply 1-hole accurate! Yep, the owner simply used the lame excuse of poor accuracy to return a gun he just didn’t want for some reason.
Just yesterday I tested a .25 Cricket rifle barrel that was supposed to have accuracy “issues” according to the previous owner. As my rifle is a .22, I had to also change the probe in order to test the .25 barrel. Well, guess what? Another perfect barrel that someone said was no good!
In both of these tests I used Kings straight from the tin…..no sorting…..no sizing…..NADDA!
I firmly believe the the CZ barrels used by Kalibrgun to be some of the very finest available and that owners with “accuracy issues” look elsewhere for their problems.
Yes that will work, but be careful some weed-wacker line content abrasives and can round over the crown land edges.
As long as you pull straight with anything used it’s okay I’m guessing.
~ GKU
I can’t imagine why the manufacturers of weed whacker line would put an abrasive into the plastic. The extruder dies that squirts out semi-molten plastic would wear out pretty quick. If you are concerned, then get some 30 or 40 lb test monofilament fishing line. Just tie a knot on the end.
I polish all my airgun barrels giving extra attention to breach area where pellets slice into barrel and transfer port hole.
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Also the extreme edge of his crown lands look okay in his video if you ask me.
Yes that will work, but be careful some weed-wacker line content abrasives and can round over the crown land edges.
As long as you pull straight with anything used it’s okay I’m guessing.
~ GKU
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Excellent video presentation. After I polished my Cricket .25 cal bore with JB paste and Mothers polish, and using a coated cleaning rod from the muzzle end (horrors!!)I spoke to one of the folks at another vendor who indicated that I may have ruined the barrel. Well, I looked at the crown under 7X magnification and it looked as good as the reworked one in the above video, so I figured I wanted to push a pellet through the bore and see what it looked like. However, I didn’t want to take the gun apart to do so. So, I got some 0.095 inch weed-wacker line and heated the end to mushroom it out. Then I drilled some pellets with a 3/32 inch drill, put the drilled pellet on the line, threaded it through the barrel from the breech (whew!) and pulled it through. This was a lot easier. The appearance of the rifling grooves on the pellet looked pretty good to me and this method save a heck of a lot of work. I suppose you could do it on smaller calibers the same way. There is 0.085 inch line available that would work on .22s and maybe some smaller monofillament fishing line for .-177. Hope you have some small drills. Anyway, here’s some pics.
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee370/jpstakun/Drilled%20pellet_zpso3xrt9hu.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee370/jpstakun/Obturated%20trimmer%20line_zpszqihodt5.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee370/jpstakun/Line%20with%20pellet_zps82kwgf0g.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee370/jpstakun/Pulled%20pellet%203_zpskcibi918.jpg
The barrel may be perfect but the machining is as good as chinese one or turkish one. If you cannot see it you are not that deep.
Wow, I am impressed with you detail work and all your fine tuning, I am sure it pays off with a rifle that will shoot a flys wings off at 100 yards…
I wished I had your skill level ,
Thanks for the video
Mike
The best GKU quote right here:
Yes, If it ain’t broken don’t fix it or fuxing it up ! :rofl:
Definition of Fuxing can be found here : http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=29316&p=296257&hilit=+fuxing#p296257
Like he said, you don’t have to do what he did to his Cricket.
There are many other reason(s) for poor accuracy other than the barrel/crown.
I’d look into other areas before screwing with a CZ barrel well know to be one of the best performing barrel around, imperfect looking crown or not.
~ GKU
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From all the years of shooting my airguns, I opine that lower velocity doesn’t necessarily mean less accuracy from decent pellets due to instability as a result of twist, granted they do not exceed their maximum distance for optimum performance. I believe that the inaccuracy that some claim is in large part due to the increase in time that the pellet is in the barrel during the shot cycle. If you have excellent shooting technique, you will find that pellet accuracy is not exclusive to velocity (with the exception of overly high velocity which can cause pellet spiral). That is why I always say that proper technique is paramount to shooting accurately. It should precede all else.
I think the causes of poor pellet performance are mainly due to its shape and how it performs in certain conditions (drag, wind, fouled barrel, etc.) and also how they fit in the barrel. If you read my responses to the post I made on shooting technique you will see that the JSB 18-grain pellets being shot out of my Cricket at 530 FPS is still accurate to 27 yards and possibly further than that. My TX200 shoots the heavy Kodiaks (21 grains) at 580 FPS and they are still accurate to the distance I shoot them.