Hammer and Slide Area Lubrication?
Watched an interesting YouTube video suggesting that lubrication of Condor Hammer slide area provided considerable benefits. Reduced noise and internal components wear. Makes sense and seems like a relatively easy, cheap task worth the effort…
Can any lubricant (Silicon? Petro based? Other?) be safely used relative to seals, heat, etc?
Thanks,
Bob
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I apologize – Didn’t intend to be argumentative. Just hoped for some supporting details beyond simply “use silicone” that might let me/others make informed decisions. Especially since so mention of silicone was made in AirForce UM. And I agree with you, using FrogLube, or any other lube, mod, accessory, without full information and understanding is not a great idea.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Bob
Silicon lubricants are used in high pressure air systems (HPA).
Also they do not damage o’rings.
Airguns = HPA
Your FrogLube is designed for firearms and even though it is natural blah blah, it might not be good with HPA cause firearms don’t use HPA.
If you are trying to learn something why asking questions here and argue about the answers.
We gave you the answer.
It’s your gun, good luck with it.
Cheers
Just trying to learn.
AFAIK, no where in Condor UM is silicon lubrication mentioned. So, it’s not clear, to me at least, what the “right” stuff really is…
Only mention of cleaning/solvents etal in Condor UM –
damage the seals and O-rings, rendering the rifle inoperative.
Bob
Just use silicon based products!
Why FrogLube anyway? Do you have like a truckload of it or something?
Go get the right stuff else good luck with it
Cheers
Chris
I am unsure how the flashpoint temperature of the product relates to the tendancy of a hydrocarbon to spontaneously combust when subject to a high pressure oxygen rich environment. Flashpoint temperature may or may not be a good indicator.
Do you know how to extrapolate the temperature to equate to a given pressure? Also might require that you may need to figure the oxygen concentration of your average compressed air….
I dunno??? Kinda just thinkn out loud here but it doesnt seem like I would rely on it until I was sure.
Hopefully anyone lubing there AF guns in these areas are doing so very sparingly and not enough to contaminate other areas of the gun enough to worry about dieseling or detonation. If you are worried about contaminating the o rings anywhere else in the gun,,,,, then you are definately applying way too much and you are being very sloppy! I say just keep the spring, hammer, barrel and outer breech polished up nice n smooth, it will slide nicely just perfectly fine when dry,,, if just kept clean and polished with a mirrored like finish. The inner breach O rings can benefit from a very very very light treatment of “divers grease”,,, a silicon based lube used to keep o-rings supple and elastic in high pressure regulators and valves used in high pressure breathable air supplies. Sparingly is an understatement, as this is some very viscous and sticky gooey stuff!
Other than polished slick and shiny, maybe you might try a dry teflon type spray on lube or dry silicon treatment…
As of this writing, no reply from FrogLube but literature supplied with the product indicates a Flash Point of 700 degrees F, which according to article below is above the typical silicon based lube at 450-550 F.
http://airgunner.org/?p=257
Are there areas of AirForce PCP, other than breech, that might be susceptible to “dieseling”?
Bob
Don’t use anything petroleum-oil based as it can damage o-rings and any plastic coatings and parts.
Stick to silicon based products. They are not hard to find. I get all mine at the hardware store.
The grease is used by plumbers and the oil is very easy to find too.
I am not sure what the frog-lube base is, but anything petroleum-oil based that ends up in the breech can detonate when high pressurized air enters the breech. (dieseling).
My 2c
Cheers
Chris
I had the same question I am curious if it’s ok to use frog lube on Airforce guns since I know it is a superior lube for regular guns don’t know if it will damage the seals because I know it will eat away oils used on guns ? Good luck hope we get some answers
Thanks – I think I know What to do and How to do it, just wondering about acceptable alternatives to silicon based lubes which is something I don’t have on hand.
I use FrogLube on my traditional firearms and have dropped them an eMail regarding PCP – Will keep posted on their reply.
Put some lube outside of the hammer to keep smooth movement. do not overdue with too much grease or it will gunk.
Put some inside of the breach to keep the o’rings in good working conditions.
Use silicon based products: oils and grease.
Cheers
Chris
I use very lightly diver silicon on orings, again very lightly
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Ok, Ok, I realize this is a bit of an older post, but when I find I have a bit of time, I like to go through older posts and quite often find nuggets of very good and useful information. With that in mind I just wanted to add that RC hobby supply stores also carry 100% silicone based greases and lubes as well.