Edgun matador or Vulcan bullpup ?
Looking at another bullpup , I have the Wildcat in 25cal and looking at the Matador and the vulcan bullpup , not sure and would like to here from you guys which one to pick , and if i should go with 22 or 25 cal, I am very happy with the wildcat and will not get rid of it , it has been flawless and a great shooter , Is the 25 more accurate than the 22, that is the most important thing , I would like the 22 for the cost and selection of pellets but i want accuracy at 100 yards or better , which is the better gun the edgun or the vulcan
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I used to follow the edgun forum here and thought I wanted one too, then made some inquiries about them and options such as the left hand cocking bolt Ed had on his website. Was pretty much told I didn’t know what I wanted. I didn’t “need” that because Ed was a lefty and shot his own gun just fine… Then I started inquiring as to how to actually get one, and at the time there was only one guy in Florida that was the “dealer”… he had little to no inventory, and if you go look at the edgun forum here, you’ll see old threads about extra magazines and people wanting to buy them… couldn’t get them or any other part for an Edgun… when someone posted about magazines coming in on an order, they were always spoken for and sold even over-sold before they ever got to this side of the pond. I finally gave up on getting one and got 2 crickets… Love them but being a lefty, that cocking lever dug into my cheek weld when I shot… Then along came the Vulcan… problem solved! Super accurate and light, makes for a great truck gun. Had a problem with mine and the manufacturer sent me replacement parts free of charge right away… You’ll not beat AGT’s customer service, and the Vulcan is a fine gun.
The Edgun situation may have improved since I went through the process of trying to get one, but I am VERY happy without one now, and have no desire to own one.
My Vulcan is crazy accurate and consistent too. Extreme spread of 7fps over 36 shots is pretty good for a stock gun IMO.
I partly judge guns by how many I see for sale second hand. You don’t see many people selling Matador’s I’ll say that, guess that shows they hold on to them which says it all. Mind you, I don’t see many people selling .25 Vulcans either (except the tactic)
By “crazy accurate” do you mean sub moa at 100y?
Matador has never appealed to me because of the cocking lever position. The Vulcan ergonomics make much greater sense to me. And now the side lever has been released it’s got to be the ultimate bullpup. I had a P10 which has the same position cocking lever and it was pretty annoying. I would consider the new Matador if it gets side cocking, just to try one but the first Edgun I want is the new Lelya.
My Vulcan is crazy accurate and consistent too. Extreme spread of 7fps over 36 shots is pretty good for a stock gun IMO.
I partly judge guns by how many I see for sale second hand. You don’t see many people selling Matador’s I’ll say that, guess that shows they hold on to them which says it all. Mind you, I don’t see many people selling .25 Vulcans either (except the tactic)
I love Bullpups ,, I think that is the way a gun should feel , mark me as crazy my friends do , I do better with a bullpup than a long gun in hunting situations and off a rest if said gun is accurate, I love my wildcat 25 but i wish it was short like the 22 or 177, be glad to give up a little shot count on the air tube with a shorter barrel if accuracy would not suffer, The vulcan has done it and i like the way it feels ,, the only Vulcan i shot was a 1st gen and something was not right,, the gun was not , ” happy” it felt sick . but it was not mine so thats that , It was fresh out of the box and the barrel was not cleaned , my friend who owns the gun is not much of a shooter as he is a collector, and quite a collection he has ,, it erks me that he wont “tune” his guns he just likes to have them, he has a RAW with schmidt & bender glass that one would die for straight out of the box and scope just “put on” ,, drives me fking crazy , I want the Vulcan.. the new gen 4 , But i also want the Matador, ed has a rep for the ” best ” of Bullpups and i will have one one day , But damm i want that Vulcan,
Great point on the mastering these bullpups. For me the great pcp’s we have choices of, mine have really allowed me to hone my trigger technique much more than I ever got from powderburners, I was a really great shoot before…
Now with the techniques I have gained by building up a few different pcp’s, and more than a few different trigger type’s, I setup a trigger to my liking is the real deal for me. That is the first thing I start with anymore.
I like a 2 stage trigger and I like an over travel stop to pull to and hold for a more precise pull over and over. Those triggers I have had or have now, they didn’t have that stop, I installed one… Must have for me.
I own neither one (though I own a Cricket), but I will say that a huge determinant of accuracy from a bullpup is dependent on the shooter’s skill. With most of the weight being towards the rear on bullpups–usually right at the trigger region or a little behind it–balance and handling plays quite a role quite a bit. Bullpups, especially at FAC power levels, tend to have muzzle jump, and it’s basically because of what I just stated about their rear-weight bias. Master a technique to shooting them and you’ll find that they are just as accurate as Olympic match rifles.
To help answer your question, I think that either the Matador or Vulcan will be just as accurate as each other. It might just well be how they fit you best that might help you decide which of the two to get.
It is a good question, one I cannot answer. But if you come to a decision, I will be interested to hear why you chose the one you did and if you are happy with the choice. Good luck.
PS. I hear Edgun is coming out with a front cocking matador in the future. Might be Worth waiting for
The Edguns have always been the holy grail of bullpups and well known for there accuracy , and have always wanted one , The Vulcans are fairly new but have seen and read about there accuracy , Sniperqty has a lot of good videos i just wish i could understand what he is saying he should have subtitles on his vids ,I almost have the money saved for eather one , I had a chance to shoot a 1st gen vulcan and it just was not right,i do not know if it was not broken in or needed the barrel cleaned, not sure was not my gun and at the time he also had a Wildcat that out shot the vulcan and was silk smooth , so i got an Wildcat 25 and love it, but as this addicition is i want another , and in time will want both the Edgun and Vulcan , was just wanting to know if anybody has both and witch one they like better ,
It’s all just a matter of choice. Both are outstanding guns. Both are more accurate than the shooter. Very well made. Will last for decades. Very easy to work on, if needed.
Some pros of Vulcan are the forward cocking setup that can be switched to right or left hand, shorter in length, adjustable butt pad, accessories rail. Airgun Technology has one of the best customer care in the world.
Some people think the cocking mechanism of Vulcan is rough and hard to operate but Evgeny, the owner of Airgun Technology has recently released a Wildcat like cocking lever for Vulcan which significantly improves the cocking mechanism and it can be fitted to all the generations of Vulcan and can be switched to the right or the left side of the gun.
Chosing a 22 or a 25 depends on your needs. Both will be accurate up to 100 yards. 25 cal may handle the wind factor better and may give you better accuracy at longer distances.
I hope the above was helpful.
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I too was in quite a similar predicament, Salt. Seeing a bullpup air rifle for the first time on the internet, I praised its design in that it retained a traditional length barrel and air tube but put together to form a more compact-sized gun. I particularly liked the way the scope rail clamped on to the halfway point of the barrel, which to me is a very good method of POI-tracking (I posted on this subject before here). Plus, I longed to have a compact air rifle because I grew frustrated of conventional-length air rifles. At any rate, the bullpup that I speak of here was the Edgun Matador. At the time it was the only one available, and it was difficult to order one, not to mention wait for one. Feeling confident it was a short matter of time, after a couple of years later, Kalibrgun put out the Cricket. It interested me more than the Matador because it was easier to get and it was a multishot. And I will say that after owning one to this day I no longer desire the Matador. I’m sure the Matador is a great gun, but the Cricket continues to serve me well and fills my shooting needs. I’m a lefty too, and I think the Cricket would be the perfect bullpup for me if the cocking lever can be switched over to the other side. However, even where it’s at I have no major issues with it. It doesn’t get in the way of my shooting technique.
At the moment, I want to get an even more compact bullpup. Just a couple of days ago I contacted Talon Tunes, hoping that Tony still had more Taipan Mutant Shorties available, but luck didn’t seem to be on my side. And yet again, the same motions I had gone through in wanting to own a bullpup, I am going through them again because I just found out here that Kalibrgun is planning on releasing an updated Colibri/Hummingbird. And it is going to offer a feature that the Taipan currently doesn’t have: being a semi automatic. So maybe luck may still be on my side. :winkn: The only problem I foresee with the Colibri is seeing empty pellet tins at an even faster rate. :fishing: