PILE DRIVER – Bullets
This is a “” about these air bullets, from the seller. What has anyone else found to say about’M?
“It is extremely difficult to predict how a particular pellet will perform in an airgun. This is because of the variables in barrel bores, breech faces, loading methods and kinetic energy. Even two airguns of the same make and model can give different results. The loading probes on some spring wound magazine fed rifles do not always present the Piledriver with the centerline of the bore, but this does not adversely affect the conventional Diablo pellet, which has its skirt larger than the head and this will centralize itself. The Piledriver has its head larger than the boat-tail, so it cannot centralize itself without being held concentrically by the probe. It is essential for the loading probe to either shroud the boat-tail or enter the recess, otherwise the pellet will not enter the bore concentrically, leading to inaccuracy.”
“Probes need to be not more than 2.5mm in diameter to enter the boat-tail and with the current Theoben Rapid series its probe is unsuitable. This is one of the main reasons that we do not recommend them for this excellent rifle.”
“The Piledriver is not recommended in spring/gas ram rifles shooting below 16 ft/lbs kinetic energy.”
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What I am saying is this:
Say you make car tires, and you recommend them on a Toyota Carolla and claim they are high performance… BUT you include a note that says We DON’T recommend their use on Corvettes…
What does that say about the product you are trying to sell? It says it isn’t that good…!!! 😕
OR
We offer this fine product that doesn’t work in other fine products…
It’s kind of contradictory in nature… And like I was saying, not the best way to advertise your products… 😀
Bullets not working with every popular firearm action is nothing new, especially with autoloading and/or magazine fed.
Lots of great long range, high BC bullets are too long for magazine fed rifles, but work great in single shots.
There are heavier .308cal bullets that are great in some rifles, but too heavy for my to use for loads in my M1 Garand.
Cant use pointy bullets in lever guns with tubular magazines.
I have tried the 30Gn Piledrivers and must say am very dissapointed with there acuracy.
I had tried them at many different velocities from 650 FPS all the way upto 1050 FPS, and couldnt get them to shoot into 3 or 4 inches at 30 metres. The design of the bullet does make it critical for the pellet to be placed well inside the bore, but in a condor by hand its pretty difficult.
One thing i noticed the other day. I was doing some chrony numbers and used the piledrivers i had as there no good for anything else ! And shooting into a cardboard box full of rubbish i found a heap of fired bullets on the other side, and they looked amazing. Almost unfired. thing i noticed was the bullets didnt have any noticible rifleing grooves. It looked to me that the bullets dont contact enough of the rifling to get good accuracy from them.
That’s how you do it!
Go Jerry!!!! 😀
Surefire slugs respond well to being probed, shrouded or thumb pressed into any fine product! 😆
I got that the first time… 😉
What I am saying is this:
Say you make car tires, and you recommend them on a Toyota Carolla and claim they are high performance… BUT you include a note that says We DON’T recommend their use on Corvettes…
What does that say about the product you are trying to sell? It says it isn’t that good…!!! 😕
OR
We offer this fine product that doesn’t work in other fine products…
It’s kind of contradictory in nature… And like I was saying, not the best way to advertise your products… 😀
It is essential for the loading probe to either shroud the boat-tail….
AirForce ARs don’t use much of “loading probe”…….. âž¡
For the last reference by: synopsys
The Theoben\Beeman Super17 Air Rifle is whar the’re referring to. Yes it is a real desire of a gun to me, (many quick shots etc.) but I have a TSS 18″ barrel. Just pure air is being blasted to the Pile Driver.
âž¡ This is one of the main reasons that we do not recommend them for this excellent rifle.” This kind of rifle being (if You read..) Theoben\Beeman Super17 . âž¡
😯 Says loads about the pellets they are providing… Or. How NOT to advertise your product…
I enter the pellet weight in grains (61) along with the muzzle velocity (700) feet per second to get 66 foot pounds energy at the muzzle.
This site being: TalonAirgun.com âž¡
âž¡ how so do you mean “works out”? If @ 700 fps your getting
67 fpe,….. Wait! Was gonna say that sounds great (easy tolorable to me) at .22 caliber. But, .25? I done know. I do know there are about 3 on this site inc. “Pres.”, that could quickly reviel all about, to help your deciding.
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I just seen .25 cal pellets advertised at 61 grains solid lead made by Air Venturi. Are these the pellets you are referring to? Also anyone have any experience shooting these? I am getting a .25 cal springer but I am not sure if this is actually to heavy for a spring gun. Even at a mere 700 fps this works out to about 67 fpe.
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More information on the Piledriver
Check out the details on http://www.phoenixairguns.co.uk
Aware that some UK Shooters have done well
Seems to depend on what barrel you have fitted
In .177 there is to sizes 😉
BOB/R