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Brits with silencers

They got off pretty good with this one 😯

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/564/story/711594.html

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quote SAVAGESAM:

I wonder if there has been a study to show the number of gun crimes involving silencers? I bet it’s .0001 percent.

I’m pretty sure the real number is ‘zero’.

Better be real careful with silencers, moderators, or whatever you want to call them, they can get you in a whole bunch of trouble. I don’t always agree with ole doc beeman, but I have to agree with his report per the link.

http://www.beemans.net/silencers_on_airguns.htm

You do not want to screw with Federal Police. The 1st time I read Doc Beeman’s report, I was mad and thought he was just being a fuddy-duddy; but after reading the evidence, I determined it was not worth the risk of 15years in prison, and becoming bankrupt, just so I can shoot quieter air guns.

Airguns are already pretty quiet. I have the Talon SS, and it is plenty quiet enough for me and what I do. I think full factory shrouds are legal.

quote TalonSniper:

quote DKOwen:

It’s a sliding slope kinda thing.
Doug Owen

Its kind of a slippery slope as well 😉

While that might be true (I don’t think it is….), it’s not really what I intended. I know there’s a buzz word to that effect, and I was punning without a permit on that, but I meant ‘sliding’.

Consider one tends to voluntarily move onto a slippery slope and you put yourself at risk (and usually can control that risk to some extent) through you’re own actions. OTOH, the Great Depression (and maybe this one in retrospect) was a shifting foundations thing. Folks are minding their own business, doing their jobs, paying their bills and so on and then they loose their jobs, loose money in stocks, get some serious medical or other bills. They can look out the window and see it happening to others, there’s a current of bad news out there. Folks are being randomly hit all around, things are sliding downhill.

I think the slippery slope part is when you take to theft or poaching (really the same I guess) to pay the bills. It is a very real dilemma for some, but it is also a matter of degrees. For instance how do you resolve the guy that is only shooting a deer (and taking the hind quarters….) to feed his family with a rifle that could be sold and would buy a pile of beans? Not all poachers are starving, but there’s sure to be more claiming to be than are?

Subsistence poaching is an issue for sure. Like I said, my understanding of the silencer laws has that as a base. Not violent crime. FWIW.

So you’re right, it’s a slippery slope. But that’s not the obscure point I was trying to make, then as perhaps now that is distorted by a sinking condition for ‘everyone’. Conditions are sliding out from under folks through no cause of their own. Makes for victims

Doug Owen

quote DKOwen:

It’s a sliding slope kinda thing.
Doug Owen

Its kind of a slippery slope as well 😉

It’s a sliding slope kinda thing. “Everyone” was having money problems, just like today. Most worked around that by not breaking the law (just like today), some didn’t (again, just like today).

And for sure lots of guys would cry poor (just like today….) when they weren’t really that bad off.

So really things don’t change all that much I guess. Today we have the same problems with jurys. In light of this, I can understand the urge to remove the tools from folks hands. Loss of silencers in the name of game protection is one thing, taking away self defense guns ‘for the children’ is another IMO.

Doug Owen

You know Doug, I couldn’t convict someone either if they were poaching to feed their family to keep them from going hungry.

As I recall the poaching story, it was basically impossible to convict one ‘in the day’. Times were tough, poaching for family food a fairly common practice, someone on the jury was a poacher or had one in the family. That too is an old story.

The net result is a ban on silencers we still live with.

Yes, it’s an old theme, but I guess ‘bad apples’ have been screwing it up for the rest since Cain killed Able.

Doug Owen

Well there are so few wardens left getting caught poaching isn’t very likely. Besides just make it too stiff a penalty if caught poaching that it just wouldn’t be worth it. Nah, lets make EVERYBODY suffer. The old “one bad apple” routine.

quote SAVAGESAM:

I wonder if there has been a study to show the number of gun crimes involving silencers? I bet it’s .0001 percent.

Gangsters and crime isn’t the only reason for silencer laws in the US. For obvious reasons, criminals usually want the noise and confusion, it’s part of the threat.

However, most of the laws in place are aimed at poachers. The came into being for the most part in the Depression. Or so I’m told. One of those ‘no legitimate sporting purpose’ deals.

Doug Owen

quote rexxwood:

quote SAVAGESAM:

I wonder if there has been a study to show the number of gun crimes involving silencers? I bet it’s .0001 percent.

That’s because no one hears the shot and they don’t get caught LOL

I knew that was coming. lol

quote SAVAGESAM:

I wonder if there has been a study to show the number of gun crimes involving silencers? I bet it’s .0001 percent.

That’s because no one hears the shot and they don’t get caught LOL

I wonder if there has been a study to show the number of gun crimes involving silencers? I bet it’s .0001 percent.

See WTF do I know!!! 😀

I’d better go eat some Doritos and calm down!

quote synopsys:

The guy named The Patriot that commented on that article is a total idiot (way to keep up the stupid American stereotype moron!!!).

It’s great to see so many journalists writing opinion pieces without any regard for facts… 🙄

“when they found the silencers, which are regulated as tightly as machine guns and can’t be brought into the United States”

I believe machine guns are MORE tightly regulated than silencers, I know the costs are far less for a silencer permit than a machine gun permit… Am I also to believe that there are NO imported silencers from other countries… Hmm more misinformation…

Come on America, eat more Doritos and watch American Gladiators, truth is so overrated! 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄

Actually in state that allow ownership, machine guns and silencers are classified the same: class III weapons. Aside from the cost of the item, the fee to legally own is the same: a one time $200.00 transfer tax. If you buy a machine gun with a silencer ie. uzi or mp5, the transfer tax is 400.00; 200 for the gun and 200 for the silencer. the tranfer tax is a one time fee, for as long as you legally own the weapon.

The guy named The Patriot that commented on that article is a total idiot (way to keep up the stupid American stereotype moron!!!).

It’s great to see so many journalists writing opinion pieces without any regard for facts… 🙄

“when they found the silencers, which are regulated as tightly as machine guns and can’t be brought into the United States”

I believe machine guns are MORE tightly regulated than silencers, I know the costs are far less for a silencer permit than a machine gun permit… Am I also to believe that there are NO imported silencers from other countries… Hmm more misinformation…

Come on America, eat more Doritos and watch American Gladiators, truth is so overrated! 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄

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