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FX 4 Stage pump

SavageSam had asked about my thoughts on the FX 4 stage pump vs the Hill pump… here are some general observations….

MFG Warranty… both have a 1 year warranty

reliability… I’d have to go with the Hill, but only because the FX 4 stage has not been out long enough to prove itself.

Pump efficiency…. easily goes to the FX. I get more air for my effort than with the Hill and with the 4 stage design, I have the option of losing a bit of efficiency for ease of pumping above 2000psi should I choose.

design…. goes to the FX. The microline hose is long enough to get to guns with oddly positioned fill nipples. My Hill had a shorter fatter hose that made it difficult to fill certain guns. Of course, this is easily remedied with a new hose.

Here is a short review I wrote a short while back on the FX 4 stage. So far, my opinion hasnt changed on the pump.

While I have a carbon fiber tank, I still prefer the manual pump for topping off many of my PCP’s. Dont get me wrong, I find no enjoyment in filling a large air reservoir from empty to 3000psi by manual labor, but for topping off, the hand pump works just fine.

I had been wanting to try out a new pump for a while, even though my old Logun pump had been working fine for years. I ended up selling the Logun and going for a pump that I’ll not name here. The pump died within a week, as did it’s replacement and so the vendor I bought it from refunded my money.

I then called Airguns of Arizona ( http://www.airgunsofarizona.com) and asked them what they had available. They had the Hill pump and the FX 4 stage pump. I had a Hill pump for a while and liked it well enough, but I was interested in trying out the new 4 stage so I went ahead and bit the bullet.

The new FX 4 stage pump is a manually operated hight pressure hand pumped used to fill precharged pneumatic (PCP) airguns with air up to 270 bar. The main difference in this pump versus others it in its ability to ‘gear down’ after around 150 bar by closing a port, thus allowing the user to fill gun up while maintaining a comfortable pumping level.

The pump arrived in a short while, packed well, and all components were secure in the box with nothing moving around to damage other items.

First impressions were that it is a nice looking pump, comfortable grip, footstand a little on the shy side, but no moreso than other pumps I’ve seen. The Micro Line hose is a welcome addition that is long enough to not have to contort guns that have fitaments at odd angles. The gauge is large enough to be read easily and is labled in BAR units.

I pumped a few strokes to find that it was a bit sticky in places. A quick call to Airguns of Arizona confirmed what I had suspected, that the pump just needed a bit of time to work in the factory lubricants. The sticky places smoothed out within a couple of uses and I’ve not experienced any other troubles.

Operation of the pump was the same as any other pump in that you pull the pump handle up all the way while your feet are at rest on the foot stand, then you push it down using your body weight to assist. Where the real news happens is when the gun reaches around 150 bar. At that point, it would seem you have two options… pump with a little more effort and a lot more efficiency, or make the pump strokes easier, but not quite as efficient. By closing the little valve at the top of the pump handle, the pump pressure is decreased by a significant amount.

I dont find it difficult to pump even without the valve closed and so I leave it open and the gun seems to be the most efficient pump I have used. I can easily top off any of my guns in record time and the pump barely gets warm. I used it to top off everything from small PCP conversion pistols all the way up to an AirForce Condor and a Quackenbush big bore. Could it be that the venerable Hill pump has met its match? Perhaps. I feel the FX4 stage pump is a true contendor and worth a look from those who must (or choose to) hand pump. Wether it will have the longevity of the Hill remains to be seen, but with the one year warranty from FX, I feel pretty confident.

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quote The Machinist:

quote WalkonKing:

quote fatman608:

I may be able to get more PCP guns because they all have to be pumped up.

Better then having to pump more then one wife 😯

better yet, get a new wife that will pump it for you.. 😆

The only thing those crazy women pump is their mouths and the credit cards 🙄

quote WalkonKing:

quote fatman608:

I may be able to get more PCP guns because they all have to be pumped up.

Better then having to pump more then one wife 😯

better yet, get a new wife that will pump it for you.. 😆

opps double post, oh well, here’s an assignment: Check Heather for excess fatness, look carefully:

http://www.heatherparcells.com/

Rob, I apologize for hi-jacking your thread today, but I have been bored silly!!!!!

quote fatman608:

The FAT people of airgunning unite. I myself am a FATMAN (over 400pounds) and one type of workout that I enjoy is pumping my Talon tank.

SO, JAYBIRDO I find it very offensive to make fun of FAT people for working out on a handpump. If you need to pick on someone please feel free to pick on me but leave poor old ROB3DR alone because he is a very nice person and I am suck a FAT BASTARD that I deserve it.
😆 😆

Seriously, my wife like the Talon only because it makes me workout pump it up. So, now I get a Condor to pump up also. I may be able to get more PCP guns because they all have to be pumped up.

We had a 500 pounder at work, and he has some health issues. He did the gastric bypass, but it didn’t help much, they found a low exersion job for him. He would drink a 2 litre bottle of soda, and a big bag of doritos at break time, supposedly, he could eat a dozen chili dogs in less than one hour. Nice guy, but he felt miserable. The Patrick Duehl story is an interesting one that was chronicled on TV. I noticed I’ve put on a few pounds myself this winter.

The Pump wore me out, and I felt goofy doing it, so I got a scuba tank, and the have the CO2 valve also.

quote fatman608:

I may be able to get more PCP guns because they all have to be pumped up.

Better then having to pump more then one wife 😯

The FAT people of airgunning unite. I myself am a FATMAN (over 400pounds) and one type of workout that I enjoy is pumping my Talon tank.

SO, JAYBIRDO I find it very offensive to make fun of FAT people for working out on a handpump. If you need to pick on someone please feel free to pick on me but leave poor old ROB3DR alone because he is a very nice person and I am suck a FAT BASTARD that I deserve it.
😆 😆

Seriously, my wife like the Talon only because it makes me workout pump it up. So, now I get a Condor to pump up also. I may be able to get more PCP guns because they all have to be pumped up.

Thanks Rob.

quote WalkonKing:

quote jaybirdo:

Rob, I can’t help but notice from your picture that you are horrendously obese 😯

I worried that a super morbidly obese man, like yourself will kiel over dead from a heart attack from using a PCP hand pump. I suggest using a scuba tank, or possibly CO2 to power your air rifles.

“Food” for thought.

No no that is not fat that is air from him putting the airhose up his but while he pumped.

I thought everyone knew that? 😛

makes for one HELL of a fart!

quote jaybirdo:

Rob, I can’t help but notice from your picture that you are horrendously obese 😯

I worried that a super morbidly obese man, like yourself will kiel over dead from a heart attack from using a PCP hand pump. I suggest using a scuba tank, or possibly CO2 to power your air rifles.

“Food” for thought.

No no that is not fat that is air from him putting the airhose up his butt while he pumped.

I thought everyone knew that? 😛

Jaybirdo…. great info. I didnt realize….

Crow…..

I had to call AofA to get the FX pump. It was $225 if I remember correctly. I honestly dont know what the other pumps run.

what is the price of the fx 4 vs air force vs hill with all the adaptes? i cant find the fx online also why does pyramid list the airforce 3 stage as able to pump to 3600 psi? does it actually go up that high?

sorry for all the questions here
i have 1000 bucks here to spend and im getting a condor 22 with a shroud and a pump but just dont know what pump to go with

I changed my picture to richard simmons, the Billy mays pic was stupid.

Your picture is of a man that weighed over 1000 pounds and lives in Nebraska. He now weighs less than 500. Google “half ton man nebraska” to find more. Here’s his site, Patrick Deuhl is his name.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=3163816

I’m bored, please bear with me today

quote jaybirdo:

Rob, I can’t help but notice from your picture that you are horrendously obese 😯

I worried that a super morbidly obese man, like yourself will kiel over dead from a heart attack from using a PCP hand pump. I suggest using a scuba tank, or possibly CO2 to power your air rifles.

“Food” for thought.

Fear not…. I’ve no idea who the poor sap in the pic is, nor where I found the pic… but I am in top shape.

I should probably change it to the Ralphie one I use for the Yellow….

Rob, I can’t help but notice from your picture that you are horrendously obese 😯

I worried that a super morbidly obese man, like yourself will kiel over dead from a heart attack from using a PCP hand pump. I suggest using a scuba tank, or possibly CO2 to power your air rifles.

“Food” for thought.

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