GAMO blatently tries to steal Predator Pellets design
As an avid airgunner and Predator pellet fanatic (not to mention dealer) I was shocked and discusted to hear about GAMO’s newest and greatest “invention” (not to mention copy plagerized directly from predators website)
http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?productID=304
http://www.predatorpellets.com/
There arnt words…
Ryan
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If they are indeed Pred’s, at least the screw on lid will keep the tin from opening at the wrong time.
But 9.95 for 150 pellets?
If they really pred’s, it would explain not only the look, but the grains matching along with the wording in the ad copy.
We’ll see. Now will somebody please make these in 31 gr 25!!!
Knifemaker, they are not preds sadly; I’ve been following the discussion on the yellow and it is blatant copyright infringement.
Copyright is for the name only. You would need a design patent to secure the design of the pellets. As far as I can tell there are no patents for the Preds (unless it is stated somewhere other than the link).
Shameless to say the least and if they were repackaged Preds they would have it available in .22 cal cause the Preds are…
IF these are patented Gamo is in for a hell of a lawsuit and a loss at that as well…
From Wiki (add salt).
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Yep, I know how that goes. I can’t keep a Lovett Knife. When I do finally get around to making one of myself, some one always offers me way more than I think its’ worth. I sell it. Spend the money, end up with no knife, and can’t remember what I spent the money on. 🙁
For the last couple of years, when I do make myself one, I price it way too high. But someone always thinks, Its’ Lovett’s personal Knife. It’s collectible. 🙄 And here I go again. NO KNIFE!!!
Mike,
Gary makes the occasional knife. He’s not making them like he used to though. Mostly he has made folders for his own use and then he’s been talked into selling them and then needed another knife for him to carry!
Is Gary still making a few knives from time to time?
Mike
Tofazfou, Butcher,
Sorry it took awhile to answer but I spent Sunday replacing the rear brake flex lines on my hot rod and then bleeding brakes and changing the front ride height. By the time I got off the crawler I just wanted to veg in front of the TV until bedtime!
We did fill a niche for super heavy slugs for super strong .25 rifles (pretty much just modded Condors) and we get an order every now and then. But if I was actually trying to make any money as opposed to just generating some pocket change (and teaching responsibility to my boys), I would have tossed in the towel on the .25 project long ago. There is just no way to cast these slugs and do the quality checks on them and get them out the door and come remotely close to anyone getting so much as minimum wage. The slugs are priced at the high end of the market but the work required is extreme compared to the price. PA sells swaged slugs that require far less effort to make at a higher price but I doubt they get much volume or repeat business. They also have an expensive machine to pay down. Which brings up another point: if Gary Barnes had not subsidized the boys with FREE molds there would be no Surefire .25 slugs. Disregarding any time/cost involved in the design itself, the molds would have cost from $750 to over $1000 depending on if the company making the molds was allowed to keep the cherries and offer the molds to anyone (at far less cost than the original). I know this because I’ve had custom molds made for me. In fact, many mold makers won’t even consider a .25 mold because the machinery they use requires a bigger cherry stem than what is suitable for a .25 mold. For all the abuse Gary routinely takes on the net, he is almost entirely responsible for this niche being filled and he has gotten zero out of it. I’ve had to subsidize as well with melting pots, facilities, protective gear, supervision, facilities and online services and customer relations. Unlike Gary, I at least benefit from the boys learning something but certainly I’ve paid for that benefit with cash and time. The point is: there is no business case for this endeavor. I have motives as a parent and Gary is doing a favor for a friend and “giving back.” But, feeling good and teaching are not profitable in the classic business sense where companies like JSB need to pay employees with currency and not good will!
I hope that a .25 Predator is made and I hope the company thrives. I won’t hold it against anyone who looks at the market and decides that the income to make a profit just isn’t there though.
Well, Pred’ did come out with a heavier pellet. the Pred’. Big boy. But sadly not the Poly Pred. I think it weighs 27 grains if I remember right. It hits hard, just not as accurate as I would like. 🙁
I’ve looked at them closely, and I can’t figure out where the problem is. They look to be very well made.
I do now have some of Jerry’s slugs here to try. Now if that Bbl. would just get here. Man, this is worse than waiting on Christmas!
I’m just sorry I don’t own a .25 anymore, Jerry. Your .25 slugs would likely be all I would shoot from it.
Hopefully I will have a .25 again in the not-so-distant future.
HE HE HE…JERRY. Sorry, but YES…You were one of the “SMART ONES”. You C….U took a chance….and you filled a NICHE in the AIRGUN COMMUNITY. You offer BIG SLUGS in the SMALL bore community that are a GREAT PRODUCT. So people that have ultra powerful SMALL BORES (.25’s) will benifit from your slugs (like me). Predator pellets would benefit too……IF they just listen. JSB PREDATORS would do GREAT if they would just take a chance. If the .25 was just as accurate if not more than the .22 or .20 or .177 they would “SELL”
Hey Tofazfou, I listened to you! Now we’ve got a tiny little group of folks that buy .25s once every couple years… 😆
I’ve followed the scuttlebut on the yellow as well. I remember someone saying that a heavier .22 is definitely in the works.
But how heavy? 18gr? 22gr? Even heavier?
We’ll see, but I know for sure that whatever it is, it ain’t gonna be cheap.
Would be nice if PRED got a little smarter and started making .25 cal versions of the pred pellet. Talked to them a couple times last year and i just kept getting…”NOT REALLY SURE IF THE .25 MARKET IS BIG ENOUGH YET”. I told them that if they start making their pellets in .25 they would help the market grow. But nobody listens to me
Well if they have indeed infringed on the Real pred’s. I hope Gam-blow scam-oh gets there’s in court!
Now will someone get The Real Pre’d folks off there butts and got us some real .25’s?
Mike
Me too, actually I havnet got mine notorized yet.
For what it’s worth, I can tell everyone that I just fax’d a notarized affidavit to the law firm that will be representing Predator Pellets in their lawsuit against Gamo.
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From Steve in NC on the Yellow:
…Tom May does hold and is co-inventor in an active and relevant USA utility patent that appears to cover all use of polymer ballistic tips in lead airgun pellets.
USPTO #: 6526893 I invite you to look it up.
Abstract: Soft lead pellets with hard polymeric tips for use in air guns and the like are disclosed. The lead pellets have forward pointed tip portions made from a hard polymeric material. Tip portions are employed in three different configurations including a hollow and solid heads. The hard tip in each of the pellets enables the pellet when fired from an air gun to pierce the fur and skin of small game animals, for example, before the lead portions of the head and skirt portions begin to deform, imparting shock to the surrounding soft tissue, and shattering bone. The disclosed pellets provide both accuracy due to the ballistic tip, and power from the weight of the soft lead.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6526893.PN.&OS=PN/6526893&RS=PN/6526893
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1240237013/Harry+is+right.++Tom%27s+patent+is+very+broad+and+Gamo+is+obviously+infringing+it.