Anyone know who is making the barrel for the MROD pistol?
I can’t get an answer from Crosman.
Thanks
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Thought the barrel was going to be 12″ but it will be only 8″ and about 11″ or so including the shroud. Link to a review from Jim Chapman is below. I cancelled my longstanding order at PA based on Jim’s review. I’ll wait for a modded multi-shot pcp pistol sometime in the future.
SSShooter,
Could also be why they shot so good at first and then had problems recently.
Rochcreek
Unless the whole GM / Crosman 25 cal barrel is a subtle bait and switch… Buy the barrels from GM until Crosman has retooled or fixed production problems with their own. Once the Crosman barrel is up to spec they silently switch and ride the good reputation that the 25 cal has built up.
That’s a very cynical pov but not beyond the pale.
I only have a couple muzzleloaders that shoot good in a deer hunt.
But I have a friend that shoots 500 grain bullets in his black powder rifle 4570 Gvt.
I don’t know how he does it. But he swears by it at 500 yards in the fields deer hunting.
I also have a marlin 4570 but I use the 400 grain Winchester lead bullets, it will turn a deer upside down deader than dead. 😀
It’s one brute of a gun. 😆
It depends on how proud you are of it.
Badger makes some good barrels. I used to love getting Garvery’s magazine, tried to make my own lube for years and did pretty good, but Garveys SPG was just hard to beat. I got my lead from Gullo and Buffalo arms in Sandpoint Idaho, what a great guy and a superb shot.
Gave the rifle to my kid, he knew it when it was still a military rifle, and cherishes it.
First barrel was a Douglas Airguage on it, and it shot good enough for hunting. I had always heard about Kreiger, long wait for the thing, and then the gunsmith alost fucked it up, he put a chattered chamber in it.
We cleaned it up by wrapping the 45/100 reamer in vasoline and waxpaper, it will fix a chattered chamber, never understood why. JGS taught me that, and of course made my Reamer.
So you have a Bluefork sitting around?
Roachcreek
yeah sold off most of my BPCR toys, still have an Rolling block sporter built on a mint 71′ Springfield frame, about 98% original case with a 28″ .50-90 #1 taper sharps barrel my buddy Ernie at Badger turned out to my specs, standard sharps flip up rear on the barrel with a windage adjustable globe front in black walnut, the other a rare Bullard single shot, {no not Ballard} also rebarreled to .50-90
did the whole game, casting weighing, seizing, reaming primer holes and triming cases, annealing, double base charges, drop tubes, ect
never was into the compitition but had little trouble drilling oil drums at a 1000+ yards with iron sights
just a real hassel to maintain consistant ammo
Kreigers are Great barrels but never found them all that superior to a cyro’d and stress relived Badger
used to be one of the monthly advertisers in the Single Shot Exchange, always a full line of Remingtons, 1885s, Ballards, ect I was importing mostly out of Canuckastan.
I really tend to shake my head when folks make Green Mountain out to be some sort of premium barrel…at best they were a premium years and years ago when they were doing hand rifled blanks for the muzzleloader builders. Today they are pretty much entry level and produce serious junk for Centruty Arms parts kit based assault rifles.
Oh well…LOL
btw just how bad you want a Blue Fork?
I might be willing to part with one if I was induced. Be the polished aluminum and brand spanky new
I did the BPCR for years, it got to be a religeon. I competed in 1000 yard Black Powder Cartridge shooting.
I weighed brass, I indexed brass by cutting a notch in the rim at a specific point on each case, I indexed my bullet molds to put a mark on the bullet nose, I indexed my bullet sizing die, I cast to within 1 grain plus or minus on 525 grain slugs, that meant for every 100 slugs I cast, I threw 60 or more back in the lead pot. I indexed my dies so that every case and every bullet went into the dies the same way, and in the end I loaded them in the rifle the same way, to shoot at a 1000 yard target acrosed a canyon where the pole on a windflag would have to be 150 feet high to correctly measure the wind.
In the end it made no difference, because you could not measure the wind that high up. Now on a 200 yard target I could clover leaf the first three of a 10 shot group, standing off sticks.
The barrel was a Krieger, the action was an Wilson engraved Sharps Borschardt, stocked by Phil and Marlyn Fischer and blued and case colored by Doug Turbull. It had a hand made Montana Vintage Arms scope in a recoil mount with outside adjustments.
I had $5000.00 1990 dollars in that gun.
Bottom line, you get what you pay for, why do you think powder burner barrels can cost upwards to a thousand dollars or more, and a Crosman barrel goes for $30.00?
Again you get what you pay for and your not paying shit for a Crosman barrel, it does not matter a tinkers damn what you shoot thru a bad barrel, and cheap barrels will have a higher rate of accuracy failure than a FX slow twist or a Kreiger.
Ruger used to use Wilson barrels that they paid $11.00 for in the 70’s 80’s, the guns sometimes shot great, but a truck load of them were not worth taking home. To compound the problem, Ruger used the same chambering reamer over and over again, until it broke in the barrel and then they threw the $11.00 barrel away with the broken reamer in it.
Again, you get what you pay for.
Crosman kept the price down by using materials that they felt would pass muster with most people, and most people will not bitch if their gun shoots bad, mainly for two reasons, they are not good enough shots to know, and they don’t want the world to know it shoots like shit, because they want you to buy the leppy fucking thing off them on the yellow.
I have two Crosman barrels, one is on a restored Crosman 101, it shoots great with iron sights at 15 yards, but then at that range so does Crowpoppers slingshot. The other is on a 2240 rebuild that has the original grip frame and tube, becuase I can’t find a Bluefork for sale and I have not gotten arond to getting a “solid” PCP tube. With a redot it shoots 3/4 inch at 25 yards, probably a great barrel. I have gotten lucky,
What your seeing is higher than average accuracy failure, from guys on these forums, they shoot alot, and for the most part, they are damn good shots. Your hearing about it because they can tell if the have a piece of shit barrel, and they like to write about it on these forums, how many people have them and don’t have a venue to tell the world?
I do not believe for one moment you hearing the entire story.
Roachcreek
very very true Shaggy
that is a great part of the problem, folks not finding what works
that said there have been too many posts by characters claiming that their Marauder shoots basically everything like a laser beam and that disinformation has led to more than a few disappointed owners compounded by QC issues on some guns.
Its even a greater issue on AF guns given their adjustability…some folks just dont have the paitence to dial them in with the proper projectiles
few Air Gunners it seems would ever make it in long range black powder cartridge rifle, {BPCR} shooting as that gets seriously intense on the handloading end alone
brass selection along with powders, primers not to mention projectiles
when I got my 22 discovery it shot all over the place. 2″ group at 20 yards, made me sick, but befor I evaluated teh gun I checked the pellets.
They were crosman 22 hollow points, I got from Wally World.
So I got some good pellets and the groups was a ragged hole at 30 yards.
Pellet gun makers “even Ed gun recommends” Diablo Exacts. Why don’t they say shoot most pellets with precision?
Pellets are good from some and the best cost a little extra.
I done the clip board thing matching my pellets that I learned here, and the ones that went tin the barrel loosely did the same thing on the clip board, and the good shooting ones went to a different place about 6″s lower. The good shot good and the bad shot like a shotgun blast.
It’s all in the ammo, take Ed guns advise and shoot some 25 caliber in the Diablo exacts, and you’ll see Edgun accurcay like the show on YouTube from Discos and Air Force, and Ed gun.
Powder burners are like that also. Most guns are a little over sized and some are not.
Ive been shooting a long time, Federal high power is the ammo of the rifle world and exacts are the Pellet of the Pellet world. But a 25 and a 17 caliber Marauder will tack drive the EJ’s and all other matched pellets.
PA can vouch for the pellets Ive bought.
I was raised with a gun in my hands, Not an expert, but on a steady rest I can get the best from a gun. Off handed I’m a little too shaky in my older days.
So try the Diablo Exacts if your gun don’t shoot good, you’ll see a big difference. 😉
nope its not proof what so ever any more than when the government gives their “I can neither confirm or deny” phrase smithing
as far as Chinese barrels being poor quality
you should remember that for awhile QBs with chinese barrels were hammering all comers in FT compitition including Lothar Walther barreled Euro guns
as they stand even today you have better odds of a great shooting QB barrel than a .177 or .22 Crosman
just my experience
recent QB barrels dont seem to be of the same quality that they were just a few years back but they still are usually fine shooters
Now Mike Melick did bring in a number of Match Grade Chinese blanks that perform as good as LW and HW by all accounts so don’t assume Chinese means trash by any means
some of the entry lervel guns are real junk but the chinese can make very good choked match barrels on par with most anything in the west short of maybe FWB and Styer
after all have any rifles outfitted with Crosman pencil barrels that have taken one FT match?
I know there have been some serious competitors overseas using decades old Crosman 160s but thats a horse of a different color than the current poop sticks rifled by Crosman
The great mystery. Your math is good Riverside. However the barrels shoot better than Crosman, or chinese barrells…right? Am I correct that chinese barrells are nothing to brag about?
Here it is…
I had e-mailed the Green mountain Rifle Barrel Company…I asked them if I could purchase a replacement barrel for my .25 Marauder?
The reply came from Mr. Dennis Paladino,
“…at this time, we do not offer replacement rifle barrels for the product you inquired about. It may be necessary to contact the manufacturer directly. Thank you…good luck etc.”
That’s what I got out of them on 16 April, 2010.
That’s what led me to believe that GM was producing the barrels. Another conversation with a customer service rep at Crosman, (who I will not name as I don’t want to get him in trouble), said, “I guess that everyone knows who’s making them.”
That’s still not proof. The great mystery.
I agree about the .25 barrels, shouldn’t matter one bit who or for that matter indeed where they may be being produced…bottomline is they do seem to shoot very well.
some claim the .25 barrels are chinese
myself, I do think thats the case but neither do I accept they are GM and even Crosman admits they are contract
from exactly who they will not disclose in a public statement
just these little whispers in some folks ears by their reps
why the secrecy?
in close to 40 years in the arms trade I have never seen anything like this
what makes this whole deal so weird is there is no viable reason for Crosman to hide the origin and even less reason for the producer not to speak up themselves.
Had they actually been GM barrels that would have certainly been used as an advertising point by Crosman just as they use it with LW and Custom Shop guns
GM having tooled up for .25 AG barrel production would certainly be looking at offerring .25 AG barrels to the public
I have had enough experience with real Crosman barrels to accept as Greg Davis himself has noted on the Yellow that some are good, others can be made to shoot and some are only good for Tomato stakes
just the nature of US manufactured barrels that retail for twenty odd bones
its luck of the draw
not at all what I was told by a long term aqauntance who is rather senior in the firm
my primary interest was to see if they would be willing to release a line of AG blanks which they have very little interest in doing
here is what folks need to think about
even jobber rate on a Green Mountain blank is around $50.00
thats as cheap as Crosman could ever hope to purchase them under the best of negotiated contracts
and thats just a rough blank
someone still has to trim, turn, cut for the O ring, port and choke them
yet Crosman is able to supply replacements for half of GM jobber cost and sell the .25 rifles in the same range as the ones fitted with in house .177 & .22 barrels?
thats the boggle here
I guess Crosman must losing money on every .25 sold, just a loss leader so to speak
I know GM isn’t going to lose money and their margin at fifty dollars and doesn’t leave them a great deal of meat on the bone given current steel & production costs
cheapest barrels GM sells retail at $85.00 for an unturned blank, jobber can be done a bit over half of that if you contract for huge numbers.
just telling it like it is…
All I can say about the Marauder 25 is that it is as accurate as they come with about any pellet you put in it.
So i can care less who makes it, the groups is all I’m after. Even EJ 43 grains are incredible accurate in the 25 Marauder. If green Mountain isn’t supplying them, I’d get a contract with Crosman to furnish them for me since the accuracy is as good as the Green Mountain for which i have for sure 2 of them on my 1022 Rugers. One hole groups looks like one bullet hole . Not a ragged group one single hole. Green Mountain is whipped if Crosmann is almost doing the same at a less price. Crossman needs to go into the Powder burner business and thy can whip them all out including CZ. 😀
Hmmmmmmmm…
not at all what I was told by a long term aqauntance who is rather senior in the firm
my primary interest was to see if they would be willing to release a line of AG blanks which they have very little interest in doing
here is what folks need to think about
even jobber rate on a Green Mountian blank is around $50.00
thats as cheap as Crosman could ever hope to purchase them under the best of negotiated contracts
and thats just a rough blank
someone still has to trim, turn, cut for the O ring, port and choke them
yet Crosman is able to supply replacements for half of GM jobber cost and sell the .25 rifles in the same range as the ones fitted with in house .177 & .22 barrels?
thats the boggle here
I guess Crosman must losing money on every .25 sold, just a loss leader so to speak
I know GM isn’t going to lose money and their margin at fifty dollars and doesn’t leave them a great deal of meat on the bone given current steel & production costs
cheapest barrels GM sells retail at $85.00 for an unturned blank, jobber can be done a bit over half of that if you contract for huge numbers.
just telling it like it is…
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I was checking out the crosman silhouette Pcp pistol and it has a Lothar Walther barrel barrel.
ya think the marauder pistol will .
i like the looks of the silhuettte pistle, nice and simple and to the point, but a 22 with more power would be cool too.