.22 cal vs .25 cal
Hi all,
Nubie here. Want to first say what a great forum. This site definitely made up my mind to get a condor. There is a lot of good info here.
But I could not find much on regarding the difference between calibers. I am particularly interested in the pros and cons of .22 cal vs .25 cal. I understand that there is more ammo selection for .22 cal. Also that the .25 is heavier by nature, there for more energy downrange giving a bigger punch.
If I over looked a previous post please give link. No need to do rework.
If this helps: I will be using the gun to shoot squirrels. They are used to being shot at by .22lr. They spook at 100yds so I need accuracy at +100yds. I also want to do long range target shooting in the same rang. I have the green light to take care of pest on the vineyard property we are on and the size of the pest can go up.
Sorry for so long of a post.
Cheers
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I live on the central coast of Cali and we get days like that. In the summer, do to our geography, when the inland heats up (110f) cold air from the ocean comes blowing through on its way to the inland. But the good news is it keeps us cool, no need for AC.
I just want to recap. If I remember in physics its mass not size that effects kinetic energy. So if we get a .22 and .25 in the same weight. Using the same size barrel and power. We should get the same results. Air drag should be irrelevant on the .25. Am I right?
The advantage of a .25 is that you can get heavier pellets and it will make more damage do to the fact it is bigger in size.
Thanks All
Thanks I just love my .25 Condor just remember a simple .25 barrel change yields a 100% increase over a .22 at a 100 yards in kentic energy.
I get my Condor back from Voltar1 this weekend filled my scuba tank and will be doings lots of pellet testing before I place my years pellet order at MAC1.
Oh here is some wind and it actually blew my Condor off it’s bipod. 😥
Randy
Oh forgot to say; Randyhub nice rifle. Good shooting. That’s the distance that I am looking to be shooting pest or paper at.
Cheers,
I’m still wondering how a 18″-22″ Bbl. woujld do in the ss. It .25. I’m really enjoying the 18″ in .22!
This is one reason I like this Site. A lot of good responses. 😀
Thanks guys for all the info. Its sounds like a lot of you like .25. It sounds like the .25 after shooting one. this sounds like what I will need. We have a lot of wind around here especially around lunch time. When I shoot my springer (rws 52 clone) .177 the wind does push it around. Also those squirrels spook easy and quickly get out of range of my rifle. So I need to be accurate from a distance probable +100yds.
Well I need to brush up on some ballistics to under stand this better. It does sound that the heavier pellet gives the better BC.
Thanks again
Oeno, just like in firearms – there is no magic bullet. Weigh up your needs and abilities. I’ve killed some squirrels with .177 TX200 efficiently, yes, I enjoyed watching pigeons fly off with a mortal wound and then, a moment later, I enjoyed watching them fall off dead after 15 or so yards. Why do they fly off? Because small but fast moving slug overpenetrate, and that is how you lose the energy.
.22 is a lot better when it comes to energy retention, but .25…once you hit something with it, it’s a dead meat, right there, ready to be cooked.
Keep in mind that to get a full advantage of heavy .25s you will need a PCP, not a springer. OK, I think you said you are looking into Condors…
To tell you the truth, even though I have a .25 Condor, I am still looking into a nice .22 multi-shot set up…airgun fever I guess. You will have it, too.
Good luck with your decision.
Thats good advice walter. I think your right. I’ll keep the .25 until I see what the 9mm is like.
Pellet Weight BC (.0) Dia FPS FPE Yards Inches Flight Time Muzzle FPS
Kodiak 21 28 0.22 627 18.69 100 -11.99 0.39 980
Kodiak 21 28 0.22 502 11.96 150 -46.37 0.65 980
Kodiak 31 42 0.25 728 36.46 100 -10.4 0.36 980
Kodiak 31 42 0.25 627 27 150 -37.12 0.58 980
Eun Jin 37 33 0.25 657 33.5 100 -12.02 0.38 960
Eun Jin 37 33 0.25 544 24.31 150 -43.86 0.63 960
Eun Jin 42 26??? 0.25 581 31.5 100 -14.9 0.41 940
Eun Jin 42 26??? 0.25 457 19.48 150 -53.34 0.71 940
I’ve recently begun upgrading to 9mm, and I’m thinking about selling my 24″ .25 barrel soon. I’ll be giving a shroud away with it as well. So look for that in the next month or 2.
DNC, you don’t want to get rid of your .25.
You will ‘like’ teh 9mm well enuf but the shot count sucks compared to the .25
I am leaning to Randy’s way of thinking for lots of good high power shooting the .25 is hard to beat.
Keep your .25 rig until you are certain the 9mm replaces it.
Cheers,
Walter….
I never went back to .22 after upgrading to .25. IMO, .25 is better than the .22 in all areas (especially when used in the condor). The biggest surprise I got from .25 was its killing efficiency. A squirrel is not likely to run off if you shoot him in the vitals with a .25… Especially if you shoot him with an mcm.
I’ve recently begun upgrading to 9mm, and I’m thinking about selling my 24″ .25 barrel soon. I’ll be giving a shroud away with it as well. So look for that in the next month or 2.
Well I have been shooting my .22 for about 3 years and just recently upgraded to a .25 Lothar choked polygonal barrel and will not be going back to .22 anytime soon.
I live on the Prairies and the wind never stops plus the gothers and magpies are smart and stay away so I shoot between 50 and 120 meters. I was able to drive 29 grain .22 Eun Jins to around 980 fps making then very effective out to 100 meters but decided to move to a .25 after doing LOTS of research into ballistics. That coupled with the wider range of pellets for a .25 (between 19 grain and 42 grain) it was a no brainer. I did really ponder whether standard rifling or polygonal would better but Woody at Lothar convinced me to try the Polygonal offering. I had a good friend machine the barrel so I could use the .22 breech and tophat and do a target crown.
Here are some pics but remember with a 50 yard zero the .22 and .25 are within an inch of each for pellet drop but the .25 retains almost 100% more kenetic energy something to really ponder for those longrange shots. 😈
Randy
55 meter group with 37g EJ’s:
Recovered .25 pellets:
Ready to play:
Pellets:
Run Chairgun and you will be amazed.
What I would do:
But a Condor with a .22 barrel. Shoot it a while, then buy a .25 barrel and shoot it a while.
Take your time to make up your mind what caliber you like, then sell the .22 barrel. 😉
Or… just skip all that and buy a AAA tuned Condor from Tony, in the caliber you already have chosen by the mental exercise above. You wont regret it.
Just an observation to consider. Pellet choice isnt really any different between the .22 and .25. The pellets you find that work at Condor power levels come in both calibers, with very few exceptions.
I’d like to get a .25 cal barrel with the same threading as a sumatra.
.25 is quite a bit larger than .22…
with less than perfect shots the .25 kills faster because of it bigger surface area
bigger cal’s generally pick up more energy in PCP, so going from .22 to .25 will only set you back a little fps, but you will gain power
.25 you got a good selection of really heavy pellets, heavy pellets are
1, carry the energy further
2, is not affected by wind as much as lighter stuff
3, kills faster (if shot same place .22 vs .25)
while a .22 will start out faster….there examples of .25 passing them at long ranges likes 100y because the .25 will keep its speed better than .22
with .25 and 42 grain EJ, you can push in to .22lr subsonic territory…85 fpe shouldnt be to hard to hit….
reason to choose .25 over .22……25 will allow you to go for slightly larger game….it can have better accuracy at long ranges
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That is what I thought too but there is more to it then that it also has to do with the projectile ballistic co-efficients. Chairgun Calculator is a good start but the .25 uses about the same amount of air while providing WAY longrange retained energy. The skirt on a pellet while helping at shorter ranges really hurts longer range due to drag that is why a .22 rimfire bullet has a better BC and shoots further and retains more downrange energy.
But as everyone says the .25 just does a better job transferring energy to a target then .22 for a number of reasons. Gopher season is almost here so I will have a better idea shortly.
Randy