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.22 Mutant Shorty…(Graphic…)

1st off, I want to thank all on this forum. This forum is one of the few with the most truthful, in your face, informative, knowledgeable, and helpful to people that just want to learn about & shoot airguns. Most of the time Im just a reader (lurker) on here, but I just wanted to share my thoughts & try to give feedback as I learn. To start, I’ve always wanted a regulated, short, multi shot, super accurate, & super quiet pup in .22 caliber. The result was a very accurate double tube LW barreled Prod w/ a TKO LDC which was not regulated. Sold her & now have the Shorty on hand. Living in Texas is a hot mess almost all day, & there are so many critters roaming around that owning an airgun is a must to take care of business quietly & effectively. This is my very first review & basically my very 1st real post of a gun on any forum so do bear w/ me. The Shorty is my 1st side-lever cocking gun, 5th regulated gun, 1st “match trigger” gun, and 1st “ok” furniture bullpup I’ve ever owned. I guess I will start with the not so greats. When 1st receiving the Shorty, everything looked sharp and up to par other than my shroud being scratched up like someone had taken a brio pad to her, some of the scratches were deep penatrating the black anodizing and showing the aluminum underneath. The entire gun was wrapped in thick plastic & double boxed during shipping so I’m not sure what happened to the shroud, maybe quality control or poor factory installation is at fault. I called Charlie from Georgia Airguns the very next day & he priority mailed me a brand new shroud & a free tin of JSB 14.3g pellets for free & I mailed him the original one back. I’m grateful for that act. Another minor hiccup was when I was ranging the Shorty with different pellets under a partly cloudy humid day at 85 degrees for 5 hours from 230pm to 730pm. I went to work after that sweaty experience and some of my coworkers asked if my wife had beaten me b/c I had a black bruise on my right cheek? I told them I wasn’t in any fights lately and proceeded to the restroom to checkout the bruise. It was the black anodizing of the metal cheek peice of the Shorty combined with my sweaty cheek oils that slightly marked my right cheek. I’m not sure what happened here, maybe the cheek peice was anodized incorrectly? I will probably fix this issue with some black c/f wrap over that area which is also good to combat the 20 degree temps we have down here. I can’t wait for the 110 degree weather to come, wrong, we’re going feel like the Texas armpit. Well, thats it for my minor issues. Now on to the positives. This bullpup has the bigger white face pressure gauge which is easier to read compared to my .25 Vulcan “glow in the dark” smaller gauge. Not to put my .25 Vulcan down, she still shoots amazing accurate ropes. I read the guages off my fill tank assembly anyways. All components seem solid, smooth, and precise on this gun. The 6″ shroud does a very efficient quiet job on fire report with 19g H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme, 18g JSB’s and is a tad bit louder w/ 13.4g Falcons (1 of the more accurate pellets), but overall this pup is my quietest .22 gun I’ve owned (Yes, she’s even quieter than my .22 Colibri). This is so far the ultimate “backyard friendly straight out of the box” gun in my opinion w/ no supertunes from anyone. Because I mainly hunt with my guns, I wanted to protect the shroud and fill twist cover from scratches and dents w/ black c/f wrap.

I wanted to see if she can be even more silent so I added a John Hagan LDC adaptor and a Donny Du 2 1/2″ Carbon Fiber LDC which makes the fire report a tad bit quieter.

I did notice something new while installing the JH adaptor, inside the round baffles were filled with glue and a green brio material (see picure).

I’m pretty sure it’s to further dampen report. Air fills are very simple, I fill to 250 bar and shoot down to 150 bar giving me about 3 1/2 to 4 magazines on a full fill depending on pellet size. This gun is shooting 845-849 fps with 13.4g Falcon pellets straight from the tin (no washing, lubing, sizing, weighing of pellets) which is giving me an easy 1/4″ ctc & about 21-22 lbs of energy. The paper target bulls were 1/4″ dots. The very smooth side-lever action looks very similar to a Cricket (which I’ve never owned) side lever, and it takes very little effort to pull backwards to cock the action. Forward loading a pellet is just as simple, as the pellet directly feeds into looks like a brass bushing w/ an oring inside of it. I shoot right handed & the cocking lever being on the right hand side is second nature to me when hunting, meaning I do not have to look at the cocking action while performing it, so I can keep my eyes on the critter. Feeling the pellet connecting with the rifling, instantly reveals a loose fit or an overly tight shot. Quality & trigger design is truely amazing on a pup of this class. The trigger action is very adjustable for many & has a superbly precise breaking point. This is my favorite trigger yet, 1st stage is set at 1/8″ & the 2nd stage is set to a release pressure of just 6 oz. Yesterday, I had a chance to complete an accuracy test w/ other pellets (18 different pellets) @ 30 yards & she did not disappoint. I hope the rest of these pics came up ok…

Over the initial 30 yards zero range, tight clover leaf clusters were easily achieved, with many c-t-c readings of a 1/4″. 50 & 100 yard results will come later when time permits. 5 shots per group and most were covered up by a dime easily. I was shooting off my Caldwell tackdriver front bag and a rear rest bag while sitting down. I’d say about 5 or 6 pellets were about 1/4″ c-t-c at 30 yards. Those 5 or 6 will be tested at 50 & 100 yards soon. Handling is excellent, being so small/light & shooting out of my truck window sill is my new favorite American past time as I mainly hunt w/ all my airguns. The black wood stock could be improved by maybe some checkering to the foregrip & trigger handle to improve overall grip. Or another option is an adjustable butt pad. As of right now, this is an awsome gun. The sheer smallness, as previously mentioned, has to be a major consideration for others. Other options for this pup would be a full Carbon Fiber shroud, to dampen report a tad bit more. For true engineering, a precise trigger & shot on shot shooting, this pup will take some serious beating. I bought the pup from Georgia Airguns from Charlie Frear and the entire 3 week wait was worth every minute. Charlie kept me updated and shipped me a shooter for sure to keep. I have no affiliation w/ Georgia Airguns. I received the Shorty with a very clean barrel (I checked) ready to shoot. Charlie gave me his tune sheet which showed me the JSB 14.3g (older grey tins) was her favorite pellet at 40 yards. Some furry friends came out to watch me yesterday morning while testing & I gave them a tiny gift. (H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme)

I received this pup 2 Thursdays ago and from what Charlie said it has a CZ barrel in her. I also took the barrel off to see if there were any CZ markings, & I did not find any. I did run 2 JSB 18.1g pellets through her w/ a wooden rod and compared the 2 pellets to my .25 CZ Vulcan barrel w/ Air Arms 25.4g pellets. The pellets from the Shorty .22 CZ barrel had less definite cuts on the pellets compared to the Vulcan .25 CZ barrel.

The Setup:
Gun: .22 Black Mutant Shorty
Scope: SWFA SS 3-15×42 FFP
Bubble level: SWFA
Scope Caps: Butler Creek
Scope Rings: A.R.M.S QD Low
Bipod Adaptor: Magpul Moe Composite 3 slot
Bipod: Atlas PSR Bipod
LDC: Donny Du 2 1/2″ custom
LDC Adaptor: John Hagan
Gun recommended to me by: DonnyFL

Most Accurate Pellets @ 30 yards so far:
1. Air Arms 18g
2. JSB 18g
3. Falcon 13.4g
4. JSB 15.8g
5. JSB 14.3g (older grey tins)
6. H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme 19g (I like heavier pellets)
7. H&N Baracuda Match 21.1g

Hopefully the wife, & 2 anklebiters will let me have some peace and quiet time to stretch her arms out soon enough.

Thanks all for viewing…

Taipan Air Rifles

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Randy sent me a replacement for the made in Germany barrel too…
I haven’t shot it a ton but so far it looks like it shoots the 18.1s very good..

The 15.9s not so much…

My listone loves the 15.9s….. I may settle with the listone I like the faster speed and the barrel loves them.

Its great that the peter barrels are working out.

quote REARSPROCKET:

Petr’s barrel sure does like those 18gr JSBs, what are the head sizes for those 18s and the 15.8s ?

Rearsprocket,

I’m not sure who the manufacturer of my 45 degree TP barrel came from according to Charlie. All Charlie mentioned was that they are limited edition no name barrels, not real CZ barrels. Maybe Chinese? Taiwanese? Vietnamese? Indonesia? Maybe from the munchkins from the Wizard of Oz? Who knows? Sure would like to know this statement: “Made in __________” Fill in the blank anyone?

Well, to answer your question. If you view the last (2) target test pictures. My “no name” barrel shot the JSB 14.3g (newer red tin) & the JSB 14.3G (old grey tin), & the Falcon 13.4g pellets extremely well. A lot better than the JSB 18.1g, Air Arms 18g, & the JSB 15.8g pellets. The head size on the JSB 18.1g, 15.8g, 14.3g, & AA 18g are all 5.52mm which I washed/lubed w/ Aero Kroil the JSB’s only. One aspect that I did try to accomplish was to make my shorty more balanced like how Keyser Soze mentioned in one of his past old post about his Shorty. Notice shes standing only on her “heel” only. Thanks Keyser!

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I honestly feel that preparing this very short gun to be balanced is the key to shooting her off hand or off front & rear bags to display her best shot groups, but remember we are not in any kind of extreme bench rest competitions though…haha.

Even though I understand these lighter pellets are a lot more accurate coming out this barrel, I still shoot the JSB 18.1g pellets. Reason being “I like heavier pellets” & of course cutting through the wind. Plus, whenever I open a tin of the JSB or AA 18.1g, they look much more meatier, & have less bent skirts than the “weaksauce” lighter pellets. In addition, I don’t like fixing bent skirts on these lil guys w/ my microphone jack. I have not tried the JSB 13.4g pellets, I prob wont…” staight weaksauce” I mainly test, & pest all my guns…

Petr’s barrel sure does like those 18gr JSBs, what are the head sizes for those 18s and the 15.8s ?

Temperature today: 61 degrees & slight rain (last testing temps was 80 degrees cloudy)
Yards: 30 (5 shots per 1/4″ target dot.)
Gun Set Up: Same

JSB’s & Falcons win again. I placed a 18.1g JSB pellet next to today’s winners.

The 32.4g Eunjin pellets had to be single loaded.

The 19g H&N Barracuda Hunter Extremes were a bit of a disappointment today…

It may improve efficiency slightly.

Dman, don’t worry, I surely will…

About the 45 degree angled transfer port compared to a 90 degree transfer port. I’m not sure if our TP’s were meant to be machined at 45 degrees. I figure air flow is more easily directed/flowing moving at 45 degrees rather than a sharp turn at 90 degrees, but I’m sure it really doesn’t matter since we’re not talking about aircraft velocity aerodynamics.

Another aspect I thought was very interesting was the 14.3g Benjiman Discovery pellets (#22) compared to the 14.3g Crosman Hollowpoint pellets (#23). Both pellets leaving an almost identical imprint after being shot.

I wouldn’t worry about it … Charlie is a stand up guy and he goes through the guns … thats why it struck me odd when I thought that you were having a blow by issue.

If your gun shoots well and your happy with it then that’s all that matters.

Enjoy your shorty and disregard my last post please.

Dman,

I apologize if my last post was misleading. I was just trying to see if I can suggest a procedure to correct their blow back issues starting from home. Thats awsome that you already corrected Endo’s barrels issues. Im sure he will be thrilled and grateful to you. I also “thank you Dman” for you knowledge & help to everyone on this forum. Now you have me thinking “was my barrel one of Peters concoctions, b/c Endo’s barrel and my barrel seem to look the same.” As of right now, my Shorty is shooting perfectly (knocking on wood). No issues of any kind here. Is been a blast to shoot her everyday for the last 2 & 1/2 weeks since I received here.

quote kabukicrack:

Endo & Donny,

Yalls blow back issues sound the same to me. I’m just taking a educated guess on this. If yall already changed the receiver oring out to a new one w/ no nicks/cuts, then it might be that the end of yalls barrels (where the back of the barrel slides into the receiver) might be machined a tad bit too much creating blow back causing air to pass the sealing oring. Or maybe the area of the oring sits in the receiver is machined incorrectly causing the same. Either way, yall can check the barrel by taking some digital calipers to measure the area of the barrel before the transfer port hole & measure the edge of the lower lip (where the gap is when you butt the barrel up against your receiver) & compare the 2 numbers to see if maybe the barrel is at fault. (see pic)…try & see…

Kabukicrack…

so what your saying is your getting blowback issues ? Endo’s blowback issue has been fixed. That was due to the shotty machining and the wrong placement of the TP. Nothing against the Manufacture at all. His barrel was machined by peter. I fixed it for him and tested it with the tissue test.

You may wanna contact the dealer you bought your gun from, and ask them to fix it for you before trying to fix it yourself. You start messing with it then they wont cover it and you’ll be stuck with it. so if you have an issue you need to contact your dealer

Endo & Donny,

Yalls blow back issues sound the same to me. I’m just taking a educated guess on this. If yall already changed the receiver oring out to a new one w/ no nicks/cuts, then it might be that the end of yalls barrels (where the back of the barrel slides into the receiver) might be machined a tad bit too much creating blow back causing air to pass the sealing oring. Or maybe the area of the oring sits in the receiver is machined incorrectly causing the same. Either way, yall can check the barrel by taking some digital calipers to measure the area of the barrel before the transfer port hole & measure the edge of the lower lip (where the gap is when you butt the barrel up against your receiver) & compare the 2 numbers to see if maybe the barrel is at fault. (see pic)…try & see…

quote SECoda:

Are you getting the same accuracy results?

quote endothelium:

Kabukicrack,

I think my “CZ Rep Made” barrel (from Petr) is very similar (or identical) to your and Coda’s barrel – uneven blue, slanted TP and the same crown. I got confused, but somewhat very interesting…

Coda, I couldn’t test the accuracy with confidence because of the blow-back issue. I sent it to Dman for reconstruction and should get the barrel back in a few days. USPS has picked up the package, but who knows, USPS in MA is always problematic…it may take 10 days.

Kabukicrack, it looks similar to me at least the shape (can’t tell the details, picture resolution is not high enough). The slanted PT is identical (http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=32414&start=160). The CZ replacement barrel sent by manufacturer is straight.

Endo,

For some reason to me the surface of my muzzle seems more flat. Maybe it’s my eyes. Please correct me if Im wrong. The surface of your muzzle looks like a slightly raised bubble. I did jb bore paste & jb bore bright my barrel also. I do this to all my airgun barrels for less lead collection & it takes longer for my barrels to dirty up. If I shine a flashlight down my barrels, they shine bright like a mirror.

Please answer Secoda’s question w/ accuracy with what pellets at what fps…

Are you getting the same accuracy results?

quote endothelium:

Kabukicrack,

I think my “CZ Rep Made” barrel (from Petr) is very similar (or identical) to your and Coda’s barrel – uneven blue, slanted TP and the same crown. I got confused, but somewhat very interesting…

I don’t use the safety either but it worked the one time I tried it. I will try it a bit more in earnest to see if it fails.

Kabukicrack,

I think my “CZ Rep Made” barrel (from Petr) is very similar (or identical) to your and Coda’s barrel – uneven blue, slanted TP and the same crown. I got confused, but somewhat very interesting…

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