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.22 Predator vs. .22 Crow Magnum vs. .22 Kodiak

Our first winter storm is coming in, the wind is blowing like hell and I can’t go out hunting or even shoot paper so I thought I would do a very un-scientific penetration test of my three favorite .22 pellets; Kodiaks, Crow Magnums and Predators. I didn’t use my calipers to measure for pellet expansion or wound channel width, nor did I measure penetration. Completely “seat-of-the-pants”.

I shot them into good ol’ GB brand duct seal placed at +1′-0″ from the muzzle (behind closed doors in my office with loud music playing to avoid anymore “What are you, 15?” looks from my wife than I already get.) The pellets where shot out of my Condor with it’s 12″ barrel installed (my favorite combo) with the PW set at 10-4. It shoots kodiaks at around 850 fps in this configuration.

Here are the entrance holes for the pellets. Again, measured only by my calibrated eyeball the Crow Magnums look like they start to expand almost immediately upon initial impact.

Close as I got to a penetration test. I expected the Kodiak to penetrate as well as it did, but I was surprised to see that the Crow Magnum almost matched it. If I had to guess, it was within 1/16 of the Kodiak! The Predator on the other hand, even with it’s “ballistic cone” dissapointed me in it’s penetration.

The Kodiak again did what I expected it to do, it kept it’s basic shape with little expansion. The Predator “ate” it’s ballistic cone almost entirely and it’s skirt expanded out to the point of seperating in to two pieces. The Crow Magnum pretty much duplicated the mechanics of the Predator with it’s skirt expanding into a seperate piece but what I found the most interesting with it was that the skirt actually buried itself deeper into the duct seal than the main body of the pellet! The Crow Magnum also expanded not only to a larger size than the Predator, but also in a more even and circular manor.

I know my Condor, with either the 12″ or 24″ barrel absolutely LOVES the Kodiaks. It groups the best with this pellet (especially out past 75+ yds.) and obviously carries the most energy past 50-60 yds. with it as well. I also know that on smaller game, even with the 12″ barrel it shoots through even rabbits at about the same yardage, leaving some energy wasted and not used to neatly dispatch my quarry. On smaller birds and such at shorter ranges around 30-40 yards the Crow Magnums actually remove large chunks of plummage with hunks of flesh still attached to them (or actually push feathers from the impact side out of the exit hole!).

The Predator’s only benefit in my actual field use of them is a little tighter group then the Crow Magnums produce out to around and little past 50 yds. or so. I have used them in my R1 from close to the time that they became available as it seemed to group better with them than it did with Crow magnums. I did at one time in the past spend hours at night filling the tops of Crow Magnums with parafin wax and then razoring them flush with the rim of the pellet in an attempt extract better groups from them from my R1. I seem to remember them shooting marginally better at best if at all, and haven’t tried that yet for comparison in my Condor.

Thoughts I took from away from my little un-scientific experiment as follows;

1. The Crow Magnum impressed me with it’s penetration as well as it’s expected expansion. My guess is that it outperforms the Predator in penetration due to it’s larger and more robust head. The rim forming it’s hollow point appears much thicker than that of the Predator (again, I did not mic. it).

2. I always wondered where the ballistic cone on the Predator went! I think that on any quarry with any kind of mass the cone most likely gets pushed into the head of the pellet, which then collapses around it, as seen here. I have seen it seperate on smaller, less dense game like birds. I would guess it does this from the pellet decelerating quicker due to it’s larger circumference and dished shape than the sharp plastic tip while traveling through feathers, light muscle, etc.

3. Larger groups not withstanding, Crow Magnums shoot “Minute of Rabbit” out of my Condor to around 60 yds. and I need to start shooting them more! The POI is pretty damn close to that of the Kodiak at such close yardages too. If I could take all of the real world variables out of rabbit hunting I would shoot Crow Magnums out to 60 yds. and Kodiaks past that. Kind of like I used to do for quail hunting with my Browning sporting clays 12 ga.-I would load the chamber with a low-brass #8 followed by another and then two high-brass #7’s -two large pattern mild shots for the first bust of covey when the birds and shots are close and two more for the tight-holding late flyers off to the sides presenting longer shots. I usually limited out most days and if not, it was because of my shooting and not my equiptment. With a single shot like the Condor, trying to applie the same taylored shot-to-shot approach is impossible to do.

4. When the wind is beyond what I feel a pellet can be shot accurately in……..I get pretty damn desparate to shoot!

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I asked for opinions on the Crow Mags a while back… the verdict was underwhelming to say the most.

It’d seem to me that an 18g HP would be the cat’s ass in an AF gun, but as I recall from the thread, most said they just didn’t fly straight past 20 yds or so.

But I gotta believe a well-made 18g pellet would be right in the AF wheelhouse. Choices are slim to none though, unless someone can enlighten me.

By the way, your FIRST winter storm? 😆 Well, enjoy it, we’ve had about eight of ’em so far, with more snow than we get on average for an entire winter (45 inches cumulative YTD). Sub-zero temps on top of it. And we’ve still got a good three months to go!

Yeah, Cabin Fever is gonna be brutal this year, I can feel it coming on already.

I noticed that you were using duct seal for both penetration and expansion testing, duct seal being much more dense than ballistics gel or animal tissue will result in flattened or separated pellets like the ones you ended up with. Ballistics gel can easily be made from knox unflavored gelatin. one cup of water per ounce of gelatin. The problem you might face with ballistics gel is that you might get something like two feet of penetration. you might consider using a layer of ballistics gell about a foot thick followed by duct seal to slow the pellet down if you really wanted to be scientific, but shooting animals is easier, cheaper, and more fun 😈 myscienceproject.org has a great ballistics gel recipe.

If you ask me, I think the turkey is a perfect big game species for airgunning. With headshots it is either going to be a clean kill or a miss. Then again, have you ever seen how much they bob their heads around!

Good luck next year!

B.S. That will b my next game on the list to take with and airgun. The wild turkey. I have to places to try and hopefully the next season, i will b successful.

Glad you enjoyed it Tofazfou. I am jealous btw, that in the great republic of california you can legally hunt Turkeys with an airgun. I cannot believe that the most liberal, law-happy state in the U.S. is more forward thinking my gun-loving home state of AZ.

Well, that and the fact that you guys invented the americanized fish taco!

B.S. Thats an awesome write up/test that you did. I like the fact that even though the weather conditions are great you still were able to shoot. REMINDS ME OF ME…he he. When i can’t go outside, i move the shooting range to the inside and do some testing. I too like both HP’s but my favs are the Poly Tips over the Crow Magnums. They are just more accurate in MY guns.

Enjoyed it

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You did good. Looks like you learned alot 😀

Thanks Photo, I did. I learned that if I crank Operation Mindcrime really, really loudly in my office my wife can’t hear me shoot my Condor in it. Well, atleast not with the 12″ barrel.

You did good. Looks like you learned alot 😀

Serg -thanks

SavageSam -Thanks, some time I will put the 24″ barrel on it and do the same test……..but I will have to make sure it is when my wife is at the store or something!

Blue -I had two more layers of duct seal behind the first not knowing how much penetration would be achieved (hm mm, he said penetration). I am sure the Crow Magnum and Kodiak would have both been pass-thoughs it not for that.

Just a very light dusting of snow last night that sparsley covered the ground untill about 9:30, but the first snow of the year none the less. My son and I went up the foothills south of Mingus mtn. this morning hoping we could find a few inches of snow to track some cottontails and just ended up getting smoked by two high speed jackrabbits, with no shots at either. I swear the first one is probably halfway to Flagstaff by now, he was haulin’ a$$ and ran atleast 500 yards into the prairie when we jumped him! I’m thinking bushytails around Clints Well next Sunday morning and you are welcome if you can make it.

cool test there black, looks as you were kind of lucky there wasn’t any over penetration 😯

hay did you get any snow over there? we got a light dusting, but nothing that could stick yet…

Thanks for the write up. Now do it again comparing the 12″ to the 24″. Enquireing minds want to know.

LOL x2 😆 😆

I often get ‘that look’ from the wife.

nice write up.

what are you 15, look, thats funny 😆 😆 😆

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