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.30cal big bore pistol build

This build started as I had a short off cut of air vessel tubing from a length used on a rifle build..
However it is VERY short on big bore standards as they require a large section of tube in the rear to accommodate a large valve, hammer stroke and hammer spring, in this case if I was to build the same action as the .30 cal bullpup it would account for 3/4 of the length of the tubing which would be kind of pointless as there would be no volume left for air.

My goal is to keep this pistols OAL to 300mm which means no just adding a larger rear cylinder end cap to extend the hammer springs working stroke rearward which would have been easy.
This is where my challenge started and I am building a bit of a prototype to test a few new dimensions and components.
The first thing I wanted to achieve was the longest barrel and the shortest receiver length I could possibly get away with which meant shifting the valve body as far rearward as I could without loosing so much
hammer travel that power would suffer.

I have used a different hammer spring which is shorter and larger in diameter than the one I used in the .30 Pup which gave me 12mm less length on the springs total bind length when cocked.
Also being a short barrelled pistol a lighter hammer can be used to shorten dwell time on larger valve ports to get similar velocities form a larger but shorter burst of air, this gained me another 6mm.

The last and most drastic design change was the valve body its self, it is 8mm shorter rear of the transfer port than the rifle length valve and I have manage to claim back another 13mm by recessing the valve return spring into the rear of the valve.

Another change Ive made is reduced the poppet valve shank from 1/4″ to 5/32″ and made a stepped collar with a retaining grub screw that locks down on a filed flat..

A recessed valve spring seat means a flat or slightly recessed faced hammer can be used meaning more weight and a shorter hammer.

The new valve is much shorter in total length and still has loads of meat for countersunk retaining cap screws and still within the minimum safety measurement to the edge of the material. The smaller 5/32″ valve shank means I can use off the shelf M6 X 6mm cap screws to retain the valve in the cylinder and they still wont breech the bearing surface of the valve shanks bore like it did in the rifle valve with the 1/4″ shank which required the cap screws to be cut very short.
The over all valve travel remains the same as the rifle sized valve.

The valve spring I have used a stiff little bugger too which should help with efficiency not that that will matter much with this little pistola as it will have a low shot count with maximum power tune.
The best part is the new dimensions make the back end super short which will give me a 7″ barrel and a 130mm receiver compared to the 150mm of the pups, which will be low profile and made from a smaller material than the pups, the greatest advantage is I now only have a 140mm section of tubing behind the air reservoir for the firing mechanism compared to the 200mm of the rifles design but will have the same air delivery only with the dwell tuned to a pistol length barrel.

If all goes to plan this will lead to future pistol builds being shorter lighter and have more air capacity for a higher shot count.
I will be using a rotary multiple barrel transfer port design in this pistol which uses 3 smaller rotary ports within a cut groove rather than one large transfer port cut into the lower section of the barrel. This will allow me to use smaller cast bullets, round ball and JSB pellets without the problem of them dropping into the transfer port and jamming things up. more on that later.

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Now look what you made me do, spend my time building a pistol. 😉

Marko

Very nice! Looks much better 😛

I just gave the .30cal pistol a make over.. I have decided to leave it polished and not anodise it with the 9mm and .44 pistol so I gave it a matching polished grip frame and some walnut grips. Might have to fit it up with some silver optics too..

Awesome looking platform. Would love to be notified when/if you start selling these.

Would love a compact pistol/carbine in .25/.30 especially if you could run it with a remote line setup for hunting.

quote Tofazfou:

daaaaaamn that pistol is nice as hell. WOW is all i can say.

Love what you have done.

Air power is soooooo damn cool!

Thanks brother! Yea its my personal favorite biuld so far.. It doesnt have the knockdown power of the thundering .44 or the accuracy of the .30 but its just so much fun in 9mm!

I have a few more builds on the go at the mo one which has me excited for the new .25cal 34gr Jsb long range capabilities. I am close to MOA at 300 yards in early testing stages of the build.

Also have a 9mm carbine, a .50cal pistol just for shits and giggles and various others in the works

daaaaaamn that pistol is nice as hell. WOW is all i can say.

Love what you have done.

Air power is soooooo damn cool!

Cheers mate, I have to say after some trigger time I really like this little one…
I put 160 odd shots through it tonight after fine tuning and sighting and it is so much fun!

I have run a few 120gr-135gr cast hollow points though it but they are just a little heavy for any real usable ftlbs with this short little 5″ barrel and 40cc of air. A custom 70ish gr HP mould could be in the works at some stage but it reals groups the 81gr JSBs well so have mainly been shooting those.
I had intentions of modifying a .357 round ball or 90gr 9mm Makarov mould mould to a light weight hollow point as it needs a 70-90gr bullet to make the most of the power. I may even make a mould similar to the JSB pellets as it does seem to like them..

Here’s 4 shots at 50 meters on a 44 gallon drum lid while rested and tethered at 3000psi

That looks sick! Good job man :8:

Still needs a little more polishing before the bead blast and matt black anodising but it is finally at testing/tuning stage.

Added some dowels to locate the forward breech on and re cut and polished the barrel to a straight contour to show case it through the side ports.
the forward breech will be locked in place with a muzzle tensioning nut.




A little fine tuning of the hammer over all weight and travel

Here it is pre assembled with the .44 and .30cal to show how compact it is.. 11″ OAL
Only a few more parts to make before its testing time..

A few more progress pics:
I have cut the breech in two and threaded in the barrel. Also added a little more shape and cut the rear step for the bolt.

After turning the two parts down to the combined final length of the cylinder I went to work on some slots to expose the barrel that I then finished with a bullnose flute to pretty them up.
I aim to anodize this pistol black and polish the outer barrel that will be exposed through the slots.
It was mostly cosmetic value but it has lightened the front up too.

I had originally intended on only having open sights on this one but Ive also added a 3/8″ dovetail for the option of optics.

quote iride:

So when do the production ones go on line for sale?
Mike

No production ones to go on sale sorry, they are all one off custom hand made pieces. 😉

Wow ! Awesome builds !

So when do the production ones go on line for sale?
Mike

A little more progress.. all be it slow..

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