35/50 yrd groups /stealth 22 12" barrel
Here is a few groups shot friday afternoon.
stealth 22 ca, 12″ barrel. standerd crapy uk valve.(top hat right out)
100gram hammer…unknow fps cos my crono deid last year and i havent replaced it yet cos im to tight. 😳
i over filled the gun before the 35yrd ,but put just 170barr in to shoot the 50 yrd..
i was using jsb/air arms. in it before tuning and got ok groups but to meny flyers.
so i changed to H & N ftt with great rusults lead on lead at 35 yrd.
but since i put the heavy hammer in ther blowing around a bit at 14,1/2 grains ,,do you think the jsb,s at 16 grains will be better now its tuned??
im gonna give it a try in a week or so,,carnt yet tho im looking after the wife ,she,s just come out of hospatol (tonsols out ) im doin school runs looking after the kennels ,,cooking, blah blah..
im trying to improve the stealth as im sick to death of waiting for my air arms bullpup to be finished,,its took the man 5 months !!??
it only takes bentley 10 weeks to make you a car from scratch ,,
i phoned twice today but got no repley,
he,s just got to finish the trigger then he can carry on with the stock and inlaying for the trigger..thats what he told me last week,..
if this takes much longer,thers no wonder he has only got aroung to testing the stealth mag on sub 12ftp .he must move at a snails pace..
the time you add up the price of my new s410 super lite +the £450 to build the gun thats the price of a maruader if i go drive to hollend and pick it up,,as long as thay have them in the shop..
im waiting on a email for the totle cash price on a
lelya and a maurader
lelya £1150 rrp
maturder £1450 rrp air gun heaven in hollend
WE WILL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HE CAN DO WITH THE PRICE,,,IM BETTING NO PRICE DROP WHAT SO EVER..
I DONT KNOW EVEN IF ED HAS GOT THE SHIPMENT TO HOLLEND YET MYBE ED CAN ANSWER ABOUT THAT,IF NOT THE EMAIL WILL COME THIS WEEK FROM HOLLEND.
im going out of RC racing cos of the kennels taken so much of my time i must have £2k worth mybe £1500. its all on ebay,,im gonna kindly give it away to become part of ed gun crue TBO i think eds guns are great and ted over at ed usa just shows what thay can do in proper hands..
i will keep people posted but i geuss im gonna be very last in the Q for mine.?? we will see.
PLEASE COMMENT GOOD OR BAD ABOUT THE VID
atb adam
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thanks mate ,,dont sound easy to me tho.
i need to read that like 200 times then start again when bits in hand. 😆
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Talon Valve Modification Report by Robert and Mike
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mikemv
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
Posts: 203
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: Talon Valve Modification Report by Robert and Mike
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Here is the Valve modification write up I originally posted on the TOG in 05. Some of it I learned from Robert and then went on from there. If one continues to work on the valve and the rest of the rig, you ought to be able to get ~30s fpe with light pellets, low to mid 40s fpe with heavy pellets, 12â€
Regards,
Roachcreek
YES my freind i am i miss that smooth feel and accurcey of my much loved AA. i bet yours is proper in fac a.. 😎
my rfd comes back soon,im gonna open a small gun room so fac is getting very near for me 😉 .
atb roachcreek.
i was ganna drill out my uk valve ,?? whats your thoughts on me trying to get more air out of this this,,i bought the valve new from gunpower just before xmas,,so its in very good shape,,but its uk power,,can you help me out on this old buddy, 😀 😉
Gunsmiths are slow, and you missing some fine shooting.
Regards,
Roachcreek
i know this is a talon thread but ,,the above post we was talking about my s410 super lite,,
here is a few pics i took when i dropped the gun of at a & m custom gunsmiths,,but the man is taking forever ,,,its been 5 months !!! upto now.
i respect the man and his work is great but im sick of waiting,
eny way the pics of the AA
i allready own a s410 super lite in hunter green stock,,
i bought it brand new £550 pounds unscoped ,just before xmas,,i droped it of at A & M CUSTOM GUNSMITHS ,,,in may this year ,to be made into a bullpup with a 400cc buddy bottle set at 30ftp,,
but the cock is taking forever,..il post some pics of it i took at his place ,so i can see the diffrence when he has made the bullpup..
i also have some early pics he has sent me of the bullpup but iv recieved nothing from him since, i phoned him and he said he is just got the trigger to do,,so im just gonna give him a ring .tbo
il post the pics later tonight mate. atb adam
Adam,
Here is a sure fire way to get inch groups at 100 yards.
Take your frankenstein Stealth to yur local air gun dealer and trade it for a AA S 410 or 510.
Grin at the ass fucking you took to do this as you admire your 100 yard AA groups.
Regards,
Roachcreek
sorry buddy,,still have no croni..
im gonna buy one this week end .someone owes me a bit of money.
he paying up weekend so il buy one then mate ,and get some readings from diffrent pellets with this setup..
but im happy with the 1 hole groups at 20yrds.. since iv cleaned it and changed back to jsb,s .
i would really appreicate it if some one could sort me a proper valve out for my stealth,, i would send you the money,,
im gonna contact tony at talon tunes if nobody on here can help me.
atb adam.
yes mate you my not belaeve me on this but here goes..
it empteys most of my dogs bowels.
i have a small kennels of 8 dogs,it goes from bowl to bowl throwing it all evrywere with its beak for months,,i thought today was his last of making me work harder then i need to ,,i clean the pens out 30 mins later biskits evrywere all over the runs .
atb adam.. i like birds i used to breed gold finches /mules/weaver birds.
nice to see yours is shootin crap to looked at your other vids any reason for shooting the blackbird???
Do you know the velocity of the pellets that made the earlier groups?
Find the heaviest pellet you can and try at 50 yards, keep them under the speed of sound (you’ll need a chrony), if you can’t get a cloverleaf group at 50 you’d have better luck turning dog shit into gold bars than getting tight group at 100 yards… 😉 😆
thanks mate im gonna give it a go tomorrow .
atb adam
Did you see your groups at 25 yards?
Do you really think you can get VERY tight groups at 100 yards?
Even if these groups were shot at 100 yards is not WOW……..
There are numerous proven guns that are accurate. And others that can become accurate with a little bit of tweaking.
But a gun that is THAT inconsistent… I have serious doubts…[/quot
iv fixed the problem now im getting 1 hole groups now iv stripped the gun changed the pellets to jsb,s and re greased evrything 1 hole groups at 20 yrds thats a lot better then that vid,, il post up a new vid tomorrow .
and i made sure the barrel was tight.
Tight 100 yard groups with a 12″ barrel in 22 caliber… 😕 😯
Find the heaviest pellet you can and try at 50 yards, keep them under the speed of sound (you’ll need a chrony), if you can’t get a cloverleaf group at 50 you’d have better luck turning dog shit into gold bars than getting tight group at 100 yards… 😉 😆
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WELL i laped my valve stem this morning.. thanks to that nice chap posting how to turn your uk ..valve into something more tasty…
THIS IS THE PICS,,,SORRY I DIDENT TAKE THEM STEP BY STEP,.
http://s931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/adamb007/stealth%20valve%20laping%20%20porting/
i emptyed the air buy putting the fill adaptor on with a small washer,
letting the air out slowly over a minite or so.then set it aside and went to bed..
as i carnt leave the wife for more then 10 mins till the next 2 weeks i couldent get to my mates work shop to use his vice. just as the gargage accross the rd was opening 8am( classic car sales) i ran over like a mad man with bottle in hand telling paul i had 20 mins before doin the school run and the wife was on her own, 🙄
,can i use your vice and some tools qwick sharp. ok adam on you go bud.. he said.
so i was on it, bottle in vice and of with the valve with the moul grips.. 😎 then ran back home to do the school runs. done that.
then when home looked in on the wife then very qwickly cleaned out my 8 dog runs/pens and fed the fuckers.. RIGHT STEALTH TIME I THOUGHT.
on the old valves as you all know ..thay had a white spring retainer made of plastic,,its now made of brass,,i stripped the complete valve except taking the burst valve out..
when apart, i took the brass spring retainer in hand and looked or tryed to look through it held up to the sky…no light what so ever? i couldent even blow thriugh it,??
no wonder its not working as it should ,iv never seen such a small hole.god only knows how thay drill /make a small hole like that.
enyway 2.5 drill bit in the bosch hand drill i started with the valve stem first.
i left the stem in the valve for this next bit cos i thought the room for error was greater with me holding the stem in hand,as i have no vice here
.i put the drill bit through the top hat down to the bottm of the valve ,i let the drill start cutting quite slowly untill i had a small hole then picking up the pace of the drill for a mininte or two ,with a few stops to look at the work.
each time i lifted the vlave of the wooden table ther was a nice little pile of sworf from inside the valve,,its working nicly i thought.!!
then a little bit more i was through,,,what once was a hole so small not even light could be seen ,,now its a nice 2.5 mm all the way ..
when looking at the valve i couldent beleave i drilled a 100% stright hole all the way through the stem.
my drill does have a small level built in and i had the valve on a flat wooden table,,letting the drill bit pass into the wood as it broke through the stem,,this making a proper cut..i then polished the hell out a my knob,oops sorry i ment stem 😉 and the top hat untill i got a nice shiny fininsh.
then giving the worked stem a good blasting with the wd40,then blowed of with the compresser..yes i was happy with my work. so happy .then putting the stem back in the valvei put the little black stem cap back on then put the spring in followed by the brass sleeve that fits around the spring. this just leaving the new brass retainer nut that keeps all the valve together..
i forgot to take pics alone the way of this fisrt bit,,and after fitting everything back and putting the stem back in the valve with the cap on i dident wont to pull it back out,,,this is the first time iv done this and it was going great so i thought leave sleeping dogs lie..
but i did take pics of the brass spring retainer after i drilled through it ..
HEY PRESTO day light ,,,in stead of a hole a atom wouldent fit down now its a nice 2.5 mm the same as the top hat hole… 😉 😀
i used the same method drilled through it taking my time a bit at a time ,holding the nut in hand,,boy was the brass easyer to go through then the 303 stainless steel.. when done with the brass nut i gave it a good blastin with the wd40 blowed of with the air..left to dry then inspected ,,,100% level also..
i dident use a vice nor a bench drill and held evrything by hand it just goes to show what a bit of skill, some info from a helpfull member,and a bit of good luck 😎 😉 you can pull some thing of in life that seams far harder when reading it…then it really is i stripped it done the work on it and had it back in the gun in just over 1 hour ..
i changed the hammer to a 80gr instead of the 100.
as the gun is very powerfull comperd to before..
im gonna buy a croni next week. but if some one could give me a rough guide what the power will be ..in fps/ftp.
spec of the gun is
12″ barrel, uk valve drilled out to 2.5mm 80gr hammer.
using jsb,s 16grains..
im still looking after the wife after her op in case she hemriges(tonsols taken out) so iv only got my 20yrd range at home for the next few weeks..
but its going through 1 hole evry shot,,but not the problem is my back stop of 2″” plywood is no use to the pellets now ther going stright through the 2″ and my fence panels hitting my neighbers wall. 😯 😯 so im not gonna shoot it at home as all my dogs are close ,,not worth it ,,,this power would take one of my dogs clean out ,if a head shot was to happen..
thats why i ask to what your thoughts to the power of this gun now..
sorry idident take more pics
with me not doing this sort of thing i got carried away having fun..
tbo it just showed me that the thought i had of doin 2 years night school
to lurn to use a cnc and mill… is a good 💡 i like making things…and using tools..