A little disappointed with a used .25 Condor I got..
I just bought this used Condor .25 from its original owner. The Condor is less than a year old and was almsot fully tuned by Tony this past April. The gun shoots what the seller said it would shoot, but I can only get about 4 shots in the 900’s with 42gr Sam Yang’s. It quickly drops down to the 800’s with a 2900psi fill and PW 8-9 which was recommened by Tony according to the seller.
It starts out usually at 930-940fps with a 2900 fill (42gr pellets). 2nd shot is usually 915-920, 3d shot 908-910 and 4th shot 899-900fps. Not very good consistency.. The shots don’t get consistent until it’s down to ~875fps. From there on down I can get a lot more shots in the 800’s with not much drop in velocity. This tells me the valve likes a lower pressure.
These are the TalonTunes mods this gun had according to Tony’s e-mail to the seller back in April.
Full tune
Hammer+Spring (90 gram I ‘m told)
Vented Bushing
Vented Frame
O-ring mod
I tried a lower pressure fill and got better consistency but the velocities were not in the 900’s. I then tried 3K psi fill and the consistency was about the same even though I got 7-8 more FPS.
I was hoping for a few more shots in the 80’s FPE or in the 900’s, but I ‘m only getting 3-4 shots with 10-15fps drop after each shot until it’s well into the high 800’s. I have this gun on consignment and have the choice of paying for it or returning it to its owner. It also has a grinding, spring-like noise and I can see the brass hammer moving, when I move the breach knob from left to right into the lock position while the gun is not cocked. My other 2 Condors don’t do this. Maybe this hammer is flush up against the breach slide and the others are not? What could be causing that?
Would you keep this gun or pursue it more to see how it can be made to shoot more consistently in the 900’s? I thought Tony’s guns shoot very consistently but I ‘m not seeing it with this gun until it drops to the low 70’s FPE. That is not the power or consistency I was looking forward to, from a “Tony tuned” .25 with a 90gram hammer and valve work, etc. My Airgog .22 is 70+fpe (and my Lemak .25 90fpe with an 80gram hammer and the older style valve). Maybe I need to play with the PW more.. maybe PW setting 10 is what the gun needs.. don’t know. I guess I ‘ll fool with it for one more day and make a decision. I did not expect AAA power, but I did have higher expectations a far as consistency goes.
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I changed the title so it’s not misleading to anyone.
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Once when I was turkey hunting I heard a few birds along the ridgeline I was walking below. I thought the birds where going to come down a little little draw that was just ahead and into a field below, so I went down into the the lower part of the draw and got in front of them and waited. When the fifth and biggest tom came past me at about 40 yards, I squeezed the trigger on my 12 ga. and BOOM! -the turkey started flopping all over the place and bouncing off the ground from his beating wings.
…………and the other four turkeys immediately jumped on top of him and started througouhly kicking the downed bird’s ass.
Yep.
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Harry, clean the dam thing, lube up the inside of the frame with some silicone spray, quite crying and be happy or I’ll start with the lyrics again….
Easy guys, while Harry’s wording may give the wrong impression, It appears to me that he is merely asking for help/advise with a gun which is new to him, albeit second hand.
Considering we all know the quality of Tony’s work he had high expectations for the combo and has asked our help/advise in trying to sort it out. NO MORE, NO LESS.
Harry,
sounds like the valve is not quite “balanced”. Could be within the tank, maybe valve spring retainer has moved, or could be as simple as the gun being dirty inside the frame (hammer will not strike evenly everytime). I’d suggest pulling the barrel/hammer/breech and giving it a good cleaning (inside the frame, and the components) and try again. Check the tophat to ensure the grub screws have not worked loose (this will cause all sorts of inconsistency).
If the basics don’t help, give Tony a call or PM and I’m sure he’ll be more than happy to provide help/insight. A stand up guy for sure.
happy shooting.
WOW!!
Thats a bit like saying that you aint happy with ferrari cos the 2nd hand 360 you just bought wasn’t up to spec !!
Maybe have a chat with the seller?
Maybe have a chat with Tony?
You know as well as we do that whatever comes out of Talontunes shop is the bees knees. Bet it just needs a fiddling 😀
You bought a Ferrari, its still a Ferrari, you just need to ‘un-fuckle’ it from the last owner 😆
I really love this kind of post…..
If it has to do with me or someone else.
No. You bought a second hand Condor from someone you even put new in the title…
Nobody knows what has been done to this rifle and for you to come here and post that you are dissappointed with my work is…well…lets just say very uncool.
Tony
Is that a high flow valve or an old style? Mine is stock and I’m under the 900’s around 2000psi. it shoots around 917 several times, my powerwheel is full blast when shooting heavys, but I was just thinking with that hammer weight you may actually get less consistancy, but you should get much more power, around 985 I would expect.
I bet you jack that powerwheel all the way up and you will be singing a different tune tomarrow.
How does it compare to your Lemak .25?
Have you chatted with Tony about what it should do?
Walter….
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Harry,
I expect a PM to Tony would have gotten you what you need. The gun might need a tune up or a once over to be sure it is where it is suppose to be.