anyone experiencing R3M magazine indexing issues?
I’ve read of one individual talking about magazine-indexing issues with the R3m. I’m a new owner (I will be when the gun arrives). I’ve watched Ed’s video on proper cocking of the gun to advance the magazine, so I’m at least familiar with how it’s supposed to be done. So who can tell me about the indexing system? What are your experiences with it? Is your gun a retrofit (kit) or a factory-made multishot? Is this a big-deal flaw or a result of poor cocking technique, as you observe it in actual use?
thank you,
Darryl
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The matador is a great gun to shoot, handle , and so easy to work on. Does it have issues with pellet indexing? Definitely yes , mk1 at least. I had to replace the breech with the new modified one and it feels much better. Just make sure you don’t get mk1 and enjoy shooting.
Best regards
Adham
I wonder if Pipo has EDgun or he operates with theory knowledge?
I have 2 Edguns R3M and my son has an Edgun .25. I have shot with him and he is able to use the gun without any indexing problems. I had him watch Ed’s videos and he can shoot the gun, cock it an load it. That means there are 3 Edguns in my house and none of them have an indexing problem. If a boy can use the gun I’m pretty sure that you guys can too.
Apparently it’s like I said, “features” and not “issues” but honestly I think that if you can reach the same result without this “stress” while seating the pellet then that is the way to go (IMHO).
However I’m wondering how many of you after having put a tin of pellets through the gun “get used” to how it is instead of having improvements on the gun.
At the end let’s put it like this, we all agree on the fact that the R3M is a “different” cycling and pellet loading multishot 😀 .
Sincerely and please don’t misunderstand me, I’m very happy to hear that some of you got a smooth R3M (even though it’s only by mistake because by design it should be rough due to the features), this means that you have got what you have paid for 😀 .
ATB
Hi,
I own an R3M. I bought it in this past November and have experience no cocking issues. As a matter of fact, it feels smoother after a tin of pellets. If I cock it slow, I can definitely feel the difference than when I cock it quickly. Cocking it fast is the way to go imo. However, there is absolutely zero grinding. Smooth as butter.
Gabe
PS- My gun came a with the multishot breech from Tony Rudenko.
I explained it already but will repeat it with pleasure. As everybody know that shape of the diabolo pellet we use has two diameters, head and the skirt, the difference between them can be as 5.52 and 5.82, thus 0.3 mm. Now imagine the chamber in the magazine. If we made it cylinder we should choose what diameter to use, either head of skirt. If we will use the head diameter, there will be difficult to put a pellet into the magazine as one will need to deformate the skirt diameter to the diameter of the chamber by pushing it in there. In this case there is a chance to put a pellet a little out of the axis. In this case we have chance to have pellet flying not accuratly. On the other hand, if we will make the diameter of the chamber equal to the diameter of the skirt the head will loose in it and the pellet will also get out of the axis with the same result. So I decided to make a cone chamber where the head and the skirt are set to the chamber easily and along the axis. While pushing it with the bolt one has to deformate the skirt to size the end of the chamber. But in this case the deformation is made by the same bolt, moving along the same axis and we have much less chances to have the pellet to be put to the barrel not along the axis of it.
Prooves? Easily:
I think if I was wrong with my theory I wound’t be able to make that shots. So, it is normal to have some stress while pushing pellet to the barrel.
Hi Darryl,
good questions, maybe we could add also if somebody is experiencing “grindings” while cycling or how easy it is to push the bolt forward in order to seat the pellet.
Obviously also other inputs describing how pleasant it is to cycle and shoot the R3M are very welcome. (Facts not speculations 😀 )
I’m pretty confident that in case something negative will arise that we will receive good explanations about these “features” and not “issues” and how to learn to manage them :thumb: .
ATB
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However I’m wondering how many of you after having put a tin of pellets through the gun “get used” to how it is instead of having improvements on the gun.
At the end let’s put it like this, we all agree on the fact that the R3M is a “different” cycling and pellet loading multishot 😀 .
Sincerely and please don’t misunderstand me, I’m very happy to hear that some of you got a smooth R3M (even though it’s only by mistake because by design it should be rough due to the features), this means that you have got what you have paid for 😀 .
ATB
Pippo, i disagree with you. In this instance I say you are just wrong. What you call “stress” discounts Ed’s video specifically explaining the technique for cocking the gun (not softly, but with a bit of “snap”; my words). Further, Ed explains in this thread why he made a coned chamber. That explanation ties in with his instruction on how to cock the gun. Not only does the “snap” method assist the magazine indexing, but it also would seem to create sufficient inertia to push the pellet into the cone. Also what’s with this talk of being happy for people who say they have a smooth action “(even though it’s only by mistake because by design it should be rough due to the features), means that you have got what you have paid for 😀 .” It’s a clear slap and the designer and the owners. You’re saying no one else got what they paid for if they have a “rough” action. You know rough and smooth are relative terms. I call BS on that statement. Please define for me what you mean by rough. In fact, why don’t you post a thread asking Edgun owners the question: who has a rough action? In this thread I’ve asked about magazine indexing issues because it’s a sensitive issue with me due to my experience with the Hummingbird. The replies seem to assure me this is not an issue with the R3M, to my relief. You do the same. Man-up, ask the question, and be prepared to accept the answers. Finally, what is your bone to pick anyway? The question has been asked if you own an Edgun or if you operate on theory? I think you must own one, and have a specific issue with it. Otherwise it’s just spamming, and I won’t hang that on you.
What’s up with you? A grudge?
darryl