Anyone got real numbers on a .177 ss no mods? …
I am new to the board – but I do indeed love shooting this .177 SS – I am a heavy spring gun convert. I’ve read a bunch of stuff here online regarding the hammer/slide mods “brass”- Shroud/moderator add ons – I am for my next Airforce purchase gonnabe going to the 18″ .177 barrel. Anyone out there got some velocity numbers for this set up –at the lower power settings 4 and under- i am figuring it would be slightly more efficient- this gun is great-lots of shots 100 shot strings before i charge with beeman field target tropy 7.8gr beeman fts and kodiak match at 25 yds unbeatable beeman silver aces are no slouch either. I got some jsb exacts 8.4 on the way along with 1500 FTSs 1500 heavy preimers. I am beside my self with this thing-I never shot my springs guns this much- Lol—Incredible accuracy- out shoots my .22lr 😀
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8 strings, 6 yards from start screen 3000 psi fills 28 shots- unless otherwise noted: 1 beeman fts 8.8 pw3 avg 769 – hi 821-low 621 shot number 24-821shot 28-820 power comes up nicely. new string beeman trophy 7.88 pw3 hi 843 low 713 avg 784. superdomes 8.3 pw5.5 hi 851 low791 avg 841 first shot 840-shot 28 842–wow marvelous accuracy of 28 shots 24 of them at 840 or above- there is consistency.cant wait to try the super domes at 930 plus in my 40 yard range-18″ too hot out there to be pumpin. 16 shot string beeman 7.88 trophy pw5 2700 psi fill.hi 877low 850 avg 867- only 16 shots cause i have no more perfect trophys shot 1 872- shot 16 850- great accuracy. on with business premeir hollows 7.9 pw5 hi 891 low826 avg 870 …. will post more later. 😀 barrels should be here by friday. 😀
Ordered the barrels today and doing some 3000psi fill 28 shot strings–Never had any airguns bigger than .20cal I like fast flat shoot-.20 cal with the 18″ should be a real hoot… especially with you guessed it my favorites kodiaks … 8)
I see what you’re saying dave. I know .25 cal would be WAY overkill for the type of stuff I shoot around here. I also agree that even a .177 did some work on that ground hog, but then again anything through the head will do that to animals. I guess it depends on what you are looking for – accuracy vs. power. I get both with my stock SS and I’m very happy.
JD, it seems like you’ve made the right choice. Just buy everything you can, decide what you want, and send the rest to me. 😀
Bikin, no they don’t, but like I said, this is an early production TSS, the date stamp on my tank is 2/01. From what I’ve read here, the later ones don’t have nearly as much adjustment range.
Patrick, just to clarify, the wind was an issue at 45 yards, not 30. And SOME wind was 8-10 mph. That said, for hunting, I agree, .22 is typically a better choice IMO. I have 2 TSS’s, one with the .177 setup mentioned above, and the other with a 24″ .22 barrel and Blodnob valve. I set up the .177 as my truck gun, primarily for sniping starlings as the opportunity presented itself. The ground hog mentioned above was a bit of a fluke, and actually tends to agree with your point about penetration.
.25 is the ultimate hunting caliber? Guess that depends on who you ask and what you’re hunting :-)! For the game that most of us take with air guns, the .22 is overkill IMO, never mind the .25. That ground hog was just as dead at 16 fpe as it would have been with my .22 setup at 50 fpe. And a .25 wouldn’t have made it any deader :-).
IMO, .177 and .22 are all that’s NEEDED with an air rifle, I consider most everything else either a novelty or better handled with gunpowder. No offense meant to any of the big bore fans, but sometimes I worry that the powers that be are going to catch on to the fact that these “BB guns” are NOT toys but in fact, are serious, deadly weapons. A lot of what we do with these things falls into some serious gray areas, and one of these days, that gray is going to get hit with a bright white spot light. Talk about a buzz kill! Okay, I’m going to get off my soap box now, I really didn’t mean to get off on this tangent. Sorry I got so long winded. Later.
Dave
You numbers look like exactly what I am looking for….
All I really do is shoot in the yard 40 yds– occasional 25 yard indoor range- never really hunted. I just really wanna see .177 beeman kodiaks fly at 900-950 at around pw setting 3-4 beeman FTS at 850-900 pw 2.5-3 across a great number of shots. I am seeing the effect of the short barrel and higher power wheel settings . I need a longer barrel to get what I am looking for in terms of velocity and effiency. I will order both a .20cal 18″ as well as a .177cal 18″. Havent found anything more accurate than a kodiak match in .177 flying at 905-933 1foot from the muzzle zeroed at 25 yds poi perfect –1.75″ high at 37yds- a dot and a half under is perfect in yard range. Just want more shots in that approx. mid 900 range 😉 I wanna see what see what a 24″.177 barrel can do with a kodiak match- I’d love to see them just under the speed of sound.-really just want the gun to have lots a of shots in the 18.5- 20.5 ft-lb range with my favorite pellets FTS/kodiak matches/premier heavy/ and my light weight 700-800 fps pellet the beeman 7.88grain trophy when the wheel is turned way down. These things rule… Big time….I am gonna wind up with all the Barrels in a minute Lol. but for sure next it will be the 18 inchers 177 20.
Thanks for the reply, dave. I appreciate another person’s perspective.
I can see that you are very happy with your setup. It sounds impressive! Just let me point out that at 30 yards even SOME wind knocked your groups almost 1 inch wider. And that is only 30 yards with a little wind.
The reason I say go for a larger caliber is because a .22 will pass on more energy into your prey than a .177. That small caliber has a reputation for simply passing through animals, and if it is a less than good shot chances are that the animal will run off in pain! To me it seems like .25 is the ultimate hunting caliber and .177 is the ultimate FT caliber. The .22 caliber just makes sense unless you are exclusively hunting or exclusively punching paper. That’s my view.
Patrick
When your tophat is set that low, do the threads stick out past the end of the tophat?
I’m afraid I’ve got to disagree with you, Patrick. I think the 18″ barrel in .177 is just about perfect. Good balance, plenty of power, and accuracy to die (or should I say kill?) for. Shot count and consistency is pretty hard to argue with, too. Check this out:
BTW, I didn’t put it in the notes, but the 30 yard groups were under 3/8″. I still have some more work to do with this barrel and setup, but this is the same setup that put a CPL completely through the head of a 12 lb. ground hog at 30 yards. Went in just below the right ear, exited just below the left. As you can see from my notes, the TH setting is ridiculously small, and I don’t know if the newer guns can even be set that close. Mine is an early production model SS. The rest of the info is, stock valve, stock hammer spring, stock late model hammer, and 18″ AF barrel with older 1 hole delrin bushings. One other interesting note, if I try to turn the PW up, the velocity goes DOWN. And just in case you were wondering, all my groups are 5 shots. Hope that answers your question, JD, later.
Dave
I will be getting a 24″ .22 cal barrel soon, and will test in on the same tophat and PW setting i am running with my 12″ barrel. I will be interested to see if I can keep my great shot count, and also get a JSB at 1000 fps. 😈
Glad to hear you are enjoying your talon SS! I got mine recently and it’s great.
As for .177, I’d say for a stock SS it’s fine but when you move up to longer barrels I would consider a larger caliber. Shooting an 18″ .177 would give you ridiculous speeds.
A long barrel does not necessarily give you more efficiency. If you have it set to where there is just enough air to push it out the 12″ barrel without wasting air then in an 18″ barrel the pellet will not be receiving much energy for the last 6 inches. Thus the pellet slows and speeds are not much increased. Longer barrels are only for speed, not efficiency.
If you want to stick with .177 then it is your choice, but I would have to recommend a larger caliber barrel if you are moving up in length. You are getting incredible shot counts, so if you are just a backyard shooter with a short range who shoots the occasional yard invader (although only headshots work in .177) then I would say keep your gun stock and enjoy not pumping (or refilling) as much.
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Got a good bit of shooting in on the 4th….The .20 cal 18″ is devistating…put a bunch of of 13 gr kodiaks thru it on 3k psi fills pw 8 -impact and energy at the target (120ft) 700-730fps for 15 and change ftlbs- right in the low mid to low 900 range at the muzzle. On pw 10 11gr beeman fts at 990down to the good high mid range 800s— the .177 is my fave seems like the gun shoots for ever right under the 1000 fps range it takes forever to get down thru the high 800s sweet…and evil at the same time 😈