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Benjamin Rogue – Anybody own one?

First off let me apologize, because if you do own one that BLOWS and I’m genuinely sorry for you.

Second let me preface this by saying this is a bad idea for an even worse rifle. Here goes:

So the most commonly used relatively low pressure, loose fit (meaning poor rifling bite), and otherwise potentially problematic common bores are on the “muzzle loaders” sold basically as over-engineered toys so that people can hunt during muzzle-loader season with something that can at least pretend to be designed this century. (just an FYI in case you didn’t know) Their solution to the fact that you have to be able to force the bullet backward down the bore and still pretend to have accuracy is a discarding sabot made of plastic/polymer/whatever. They also have absurdly slow twist rates, at least by PB standards, so the bullets need to be relatively stable and also as it happens function at relatively low velocities.

So why couldn’t this work on a Rogue? Well the first problem is obviously that most of these muzzle loaders run .50 cal or .45 cal if memory serves, so just sourcing .357 sabots and accompanying slugs will be its own little task of specialness. The next problem will of course be that the resulting projectile will inevitably be too long to fit in a Rogue magazine, and even if it does the edges of the sabot will almost certainly get caught when trying to chamber it. And of course muzzle devices can’t be used, because the sabot will catch on them once its exited the barrel. Oh and once all that has been overcome there is the whopper of the problem of finding some poor fool (no offense intended, the marketing blurb made me salivate too, I’m just an unrepentant cynic) who actually owns the rest of the guy to try and fire this hairbrained idea.

Why might it work though? Well the polymer these rounds are made of is actually quite lubricious, more so than lead, so right there you’re looking at a muzzle velocity perk. Additionally the polymer is significantly softer than lead, so its rim will presumably expand to seal well, and the rifling will find it relatively easy to bite into it. Finally any bore inconsistencies won’t be biting into the bullet itself, so it should emerge from its trip down Crossman’s finest unscathed yet spinning nicely.

So does anyone have even the remotest interest in trying this? Also, since I think the chances of finding all of the above are slim to none, would anyone here who happens to own a big bore thats not a rancid turd care to take one for the team and try this one out if for no other reason than to sate my curiosity? Ideally sub-calibers paired with higher twist rates and significantly more lubricious rounds might be our ticket past the sound barrier, or simply a way to run big-bores without casting your own lead.

So what do people think? I know a number of my ideas have not been received terribly positively in the past, so perhaps this isn’t the forum for them, but hope springs eternal? Does anyone with FIRST HAND experience have any counter-points regarding these specific sabots? Would anyone be willing to try it?

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Yea I am talking about my TC Encore muzzle loader in .50 cal
It shoots a 250 grain 45 cal Ballistic tip bullet in a sabot with 100 grains of pyrodex behind it
Shoots damn well too!

Hoot you crack me up. I snarfed though, so I think you technically owe me a new keyboard. 😛


@crowpopper

I assume you’re talking about your powderburner, meaning *sigh* there is some difference between the two I still am unaware of. Its possible that, ironically, our air rifles have too high a twist rate since muzzle loaders are the few things with even lower twist rates yet.

Well thank you everyone for answering my question. I knew I couldn’t have been the first person to try it.

😆 😆 😆

quote Hoot:

quote crowpopper:

…at 200 I am still under 4 “

DON’T BE ALARMED!!!

Take it from someone who knows….a lot of body parts shrink as we grow older. 4″ will still work, just have to stand closer. Hold ’em by the ears if you have to…that works for me.

I’ve got 1.5″ on you, but then I’m only 70!

Kindest regards,

Saintly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 T

you must have folded your tape 3 times to get that figure hoot
Better go check again you senile ol fart 😆

Kind’s figued that might be the case.

Mike

YEP, i shot Saboted ammo years ago outta my airgun and all i saw were strings of plastic coming out of the muzzle. Left a bad taste in my mouth and like JERRY, accuracy wise, it was a waste of time and money.

I’ve read reports of others having the same results. Never read a good post on SABOTS and airguns to date.

So what did you want to know about the XPRanger?

RC

I tried sabots in a dragonslayer and it was a complete and utter waste of time and money.

quote crowpopper:

…at 200 I am still under 4 “

DON’T BE ALARMED!!!

Take it from someone who knows….a lot of body parts shrink as we grow older. 4″ will still work, just have to stand closer. Hold ’em by the ears if you have to…that works for me.

I’ve got 1.5″ on you, but then I’m only 70!

Kindest regards,

Saintly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 T

There ya go Crow! That’s what I’m talking about! 😉 😀

Humm? Wonder how a .30 Remington accelarator would do in a FX-Boss???

.30 sabot, and .223 pill. Humm—– 😎

I can tell you my “over – engineered Toy” will shoot 1″ group at 100 yards and at 200 I am still under 4 “

Yup think RC got the XP big bore!

SOMEBODY who shoots the XP big bores has to be on here somewhere……

don’t know on your sabot issue but i have achieved 1 1/4″ 4 shot groups at 150 yards with a Thomson contender Renegade ,open sights muzzle loader , 1-48 twist , .490 to .495 tight patched ball ,loaded with a heavy rod.

muzzle loaders can be very accurate,

you can purchase .36 sabots that take 70 to 80 grain .311 projectiles and there are many options for .36 barrel blanks particularly notable are the high end hand cut blanks
how well it would all go together and work is debatable

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