Best Internet Deals …
I’m a “newbie” to the forum and to PCP style airguns.
I’ve been doing some reading and have decided my next purchase will be the Talon SS.
Can you guys tell me who has the best deals on these guns?
I’m looking at buying one with a scope and pump, so I’d be more interested in purchasing everything in a “package”, if possible.
Saw this on the internet … is this a good deal?
http://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-talon-ss-air-rifle-22-caliber-1050-fps-w-hand-pump-3-9×40-scope-and-1-inch-high-rings.html
Thank in advance. 😉
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Thanks!
So, if I get a 3000 psi scuba tank, at what psi do I want to consider getting it refilled?
Also … I’ve found a few tanks (new) on eBay, but from what I understand, they will need to be inspected prior to being filled.
Can any fill station do this? If not, where do I take it?
You are not limited to just dive shops. I get my 4500 psi CF tank filled at a paintball store. I take it in to get filled when it gets down to 3000 psi.
Look for an aluminum 80cf tank with a “K” style valve. This will allow you to use the inexpensive AF fitting and avoid the $100+ adapters. Most tanks charge to 3k PSI, but some (usually around $50 more) can go to 3500. This will allow you to charge an AF tank ( to 2700psi) a few more times than a 3k tank. BUT, a scuba tank is not optimal for an AF gun. A 4500 psi CF would be better, but since it sounds like you are trying to conserve $ (like me) , a scuba tank will do fine for 1/5 the price. As fills go, a 3k will give you around 11-15 and a 3500 some where in the range of 18-19.
The danger factor you mentioned, well, really isn’t. The most “dangerous” tank that you would encounter is a 6351AL alloy tank. Most shops won’t fill them unless they have been eddy current tested because the alloy is sometimes subject to sustained stress cracking. But, of the seven million tanks produced, 7 have ruptured. You are more likely to die of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (mad cow) or be sat on by Wok’s girlfriend. And that is only for the rare “high risk” tanks. So, if you don’t do anything stupid, you’ll be fine. And even if you are stupid, it still probably wont explode 😛
Very helpful.
Thanks!
Good stuff!
Thanks so much. 🙂
Good points above. IF you have a scuba shop near you find out what pressure they fill to. You might be better off with this http://www.scuba.com/scuba-gear-200/043201/XS-Scuba-106-Cubic-Foot-Aluminum-Hoop-Wrap-Tank.html Do a search I think it was the Hill pump that got good reviews as to quality and ease of rebuild. Look here http://www.airhog.com/tank.htm you should get the Max. number of fills from the tank above, factor in the cost of your gas and time and wear and tear on your car or truck to get the tank filled. Also some shops will give you ten free fills with purchase of a tank. HTH
for example, size? max psi rating? type of fitting?
Does it matter what it’s made of? (steel, aluminum, etc)
How many tank fills should I expect to get from one full scuba tank?
What about transporting it? … are there any dangers in transporting a fully charged high pressure tank? What temperatures should it be stored at? Or does it even matter?
Sorry for asking so many questions.
I’m obviously a newbie. 😳
If there is no scuba store convenient to you, do you have a local firestation? You may find them sympathetic to your cause and willing to fill your tank for a coffee donation.
Skip the scuba tank and get yourself a high pressure carbon fiber or fiberglass tank from Joe Brancato. You’ll thank yourself later.
No, the questions are fine, I’m still a ” 1/2 newbie” myself!
Look for an aluminum 80cf tank with a “K” style valve. This will allow you to use the inexpensive AF fitting and avoid the $100+ adapters. Most tanks charge to 3k PSI, but some (usually around $50 more) can go to 3500. This will allow you to charge an AF tank ( to 2700psi) a few more times than a 3k tank. BUT, a scuba tank is not optimal for an AF gun. A 4500 psi CF would be better, but since it sounds like you are trying to conserve $ (like me) , a scuba tank will do fine for 1/5 the price. As fills go, a 3k will give you around 11-15 and a 3500 some where in the range of 18-19.
The danger factor you mentioned, well, really isn’t. The most “dangerous” tank that you would encounter is a 6351AL alloy tank. Most shops won’t fill them unless they have been eddy current tested because the alloy is sometimes subject to sustained stress cracking. But, of the seven million tanks produced, 7 have ruptured. You are more likely to die of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (mad cow) or be sat on by Wok’s girlfriend. And that is only for the rare “high risk” tanks. So, if you don’t do anything stupid, you’ll be fine. And even if you are stupid, it still probably wont explode 😛
Thanks for the response. 🙂
Can you tell me what I need to look for in a tank?
for example, size? max psi rating? type of fitting?
Does it matter what it’s made of? (steel, aluminum, etc)
How many tank fills should I expect to get from one full scuba tank?
What about transporting it? … are there any dangers in transporting a fully charged high pressure tank? What temperatures should it be stored at? Or does it even matter?
Sorry for asking so many questions.
I’m obviously a newbie. 😳
You would be really surprised about how many scuba shops there really are in a given area….. Anyway, tanks really aren’t that expensive. Mine was $99 used from a local scuba shop.
Good Luck on making your decision
Thanks for the response.
One of the reasons I wanted to go the HPA route was that it offers consistant pressures all year round, unlike C02.
I really like the idea of the convenience of having “free air” whenever I need it with the hand pump. But I’m wondering just how difficult it would be to use one and with the issues I’ve read with them being fragile and unreliable and with me being new to PCP airguns … Well … I’m just concerned that I’d break it. And at $200+ a pop, that would really suck. 🙁
BTW … I’m wondering why Air Force doesn’t have integral pressure gauges on thier tanks? Seems to me that would be very helpful in determining when to “top off” the tank. 😕
I live in WV and I get my CO2 at Dicks SportingGoods 2-3$ for a fill and they sell extra tanks 12oz is the best to see your scope well. The 20oz is a little hard to get used to espically if you have a fat head.. I have been using CO2 all summer in my condor about 700 shots in 20oz and about 500 for the 12oz. bottle, in the .22 i have had no problem dispatching squirrels and various birds out to 50+ yards these rifles are super accurate.. Im in the same boat wondering about the Handpump or scuba tank to use HPA i will be making a decison soon…
Good Luck on making your decision
Well, the more I read up on these HPA hand pumps, the more discouraged I get. 🙁
I really want an Air Force airgun, but it seems there’s no real convenient solution to the whole HPA thing.
IMO, hand pumps are pretty expensive for what they are.
I’ve read all about all kinds of problems regarding reliability issues and what a pain in the a$$ it is to use them. Some have even gone as far as to say that having to use their hand pumps have actually discouraged them from shooting their guns! I’m also considering the fact that I would mainly be using this gun for target practice (as opposed to just hunting), so I’d be taken ALOT of shots …. which means more pumping. 🙁
I know absoultely NOTHING about using a scuba tank, other than the fact that they too are pretty expensive and I would have to find a filling station and then have to rely on them to fill it for me. Not really a good option considering the fact that most of my shooting is done at my cabin in West Virginia … a pretty good distance from the conveinces of any stores. And I though I haven’t looked, I just can’t imagine there being too many scuba shops in West Virginia. 😆
Same dilema with the C02 tanks …. finding someone to fill it and having to rely on someone to fill it for me.
Besides, using C02 sorta goes against my reasoning for wanting to purchase an Air Force airgun anyway.
I know, I know ….. :3 😆
Sorry Dino. Thanks Scott. I should not ASSume everyone knows who he is.
Thanks! 🙂
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Unless you have a dive shop next door or are gonna get the tank free DO NOT buy a 3K tank. The money you save on the tank will get eaten up by trips and fills. I suggest you spend a little more up front to save MORE in the long run. Most any dive shop will handle the hydro and Vis. tests for you. You’ll more than likely get it “topped off” when it hits 2500.