Bolt play normal?
โ I notice that when my condor is cocked and I close the bolt and turn the bolt handle to left (or rt.), though it all the way to left, I can pull it rearward another 16th”, there is that much slop foward and back. That can’t be good? Is that normal? Just got gun, am feeling a little depressed about it all. See my other posts for today and the problems. Seems like alot of problems and I havent even be able to shoot it yet (not much). Should I try to return it, bought from AA?
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Syn is correct.
From my experince,
bringing the TH out to meet the breech slide will do nothing but waste air.
I still dont know what you mean when you say when you bring your slide back there is still play.
There is an oring on the TH end of the slide that creates a seal around the TH.
Welcome to the madness Brian.
When my tophat is set ‘correctly’ according to the engineers a loud rush of extra air is blown out and around the breach, which hits me right in the side of my nose and I get 25 or less erratic shots per 1500psi of fill…
Correctly adjusted to 0.07″ (so the pellet is still traveling at the same speed it is when the top hat is set at .1″) I can get 50+shots that group well per 1500psi… and no blowout air pushing past the breach and hitting me in the face… The breach is loose but i’m not pumping the tank up every 25 shots…
Sometimes the best engineer isn’t the one on the job… ๐
Moving the top hat out to meet the breach is the wrong way to fix the issue, the engineers at AF need to make it right on the drawing board and not by moving the top hat and wasting %200 more air per shot than is needed.
That response is really disappointing coming from AirForce or should I now say AirFarce, it is no wonder things barely work on these rifles when the blokes in charge are willing to cut corners at hope it adjusts out in the end…
I wonder if the person you spoke with even shoots the rifles he designs, doesn’t sound like it at all if wasting air is the only solution to making the ‘too short’ breach meet the properly set tophat…
It explains the poorly designed bi-pod, what only a half mm of aluminum should be fine to torque until it bends and eventually breaks… ๐
Hope this attitude isn’t the prevailing thought behind the new 10 meter AF rifle, but it is pink so who the fuck knows at this point…
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Gee, I think I can make a contribution! Had a long talk with the enginier (I know I don’t spell worth a dam) at Airfoce today about the guns and my problems in particular. It seems that alot of people here are overlooking the fact that there must no or very very little bolt play with tophat (when cocked) to have good consistencey. I was told that adjusting the tophat out to meet the bolt and therefore take the play out is the way to go. Was a little dissapointed because of all the talk here of the advantages of a small tophat gap. Also my micro-meter air dumping problem is very likely because of the .177 guns pressure buildup not allowing valve to close , therefore when they know a .177 barrel is going to be used, the valve spring is made stiffer. I haven’t had the chance to test the standard tank yet (I requested a standard tank rather than the high flow)and if its dumping also I’m told to send it along with the micro-meter back to AF for adjustment. I wasn’t born yesterday but its seems to me the guy at AF Knows the facts. And they stand behind there stuff. And once again it was pointed out the difficulty with taking a bunch of parts and imediatly coming up with a well adjusted gun (unlike Glock pistols). So why are so many people advocating the adjustment of the top hat gap? What I’m I missing? Experts set us all straight please!
Thanks for reply. Maybe thats the problem,bolt not tight againts the tophat? But that seems a bad design that the bolt can be turned to left or right in the notch and still not be seated properly,you have to both put into notch and snug againts the tophat??
Bolt play is normal. It will have more or less play depending on where you have your top hat set. You should always move it as far back as it will go so that its snug up against the top hat.
As far as your other problems. I think you should return the tank/valve unless you want to or are able to tinker with it yourself. It sounds like you got an old style valve and not one of those new ones. Maybe some old stock or something.
You bought it from AA? Who is that? Airguns of Arizona? They are decent guys but something like this might get sent back to the factory for repair even if you take it back to them.
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If it looks good on paper it must be right. That was quite a comment from AF.
As far as brech play?? Do you mean it doesn’t fit snug as it rides on the barrel? Its perfectly fine if you have play between the tophat and the cutout section in the brech opening with the brech knob shaft. Loose brch needs some more explanation.