BullPup Questions
Hey Fellows,
Not been on the forums in such a long time… Not even sure if all the forums I use to frequent are still around.
I am looking at buying me a bullpup air rifle and a google search brought the talon boards up here 🙂
Glad to see you guys have kept the fire going here. I have been reading the many many threads here on the BullPup’s… Lots of them out on the market today.
What is the best made that has a good magazine, good shot count, but has the power to adjust through the regulator. Really interested in .22 or possibly a .25???
Real powerhouse wanted but with a good regulator and a second to none trigger assembly that is adjustable if possible 🙂
Any and all help please. I saw one bullpup that Tony or someone had done alot of work on added Atlas bipod, scope and not sure what else that looked awesome.
It was a older post in the forsale area. Anyway any thoughts and-or suggestions would really be great. I need lots of help here, don’t mind anything I may have to do to setup or repair really. I just need the quality there for the regulator and a good trigger with no bounce hammer to help the shot count with reg…
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Mike
Think we agree about velocity and accuracy.
Thought I would run through chairgun very easy to do .
For the benefit of Rowdy – 15.90 grain pellet .22 at 900 fps at 100 yards 13ft lb energy
– “. ” “. “. 15 ft lb energy
Figures for .25 – 900 fps 25.4 grain pellet 100 yards 25 ft lbs energy
“. 1000 fps “. “. 28 ft lbs energy
Question what are you doing with the surplus energy, please?
If as I beleve you like more the adjustments and engineering side really the only gun for you is the FX Impact .
Various other forums talking about the Impact and yes some users have had issues. Buy an impact and send it to Ernest or enjoy the technology therein to correct any issues. That gun working well is a true masterpiece and will allow you to achieve your desires. Fantastic starting point and who knows what you could learn from that , build that into a gun of your own design.
Final thought
I wonder why makers are not building a gun of your desire?!
Safe shooting
MikeWh,
Not sure how I missed these last couple of posts here. Interesting what you said, and yes I do enjoy the engineering side of really, about everything. Really enjoy the quality side of the things that have workmanship and true pride put into things.
Case in point here looks to be the trigger assembly of the Mutant. Now grant you I have not had the up close and in person look see, but it does look well from what I have seen online.
You mentioned the only gun for me is the FX Impact…
I will admit the Impact when reading the abilities and specs of the rifle, it was exactly what I wanted…
I don’t even mind fixing and or replacing the bad components to get the rifle where its potential is meet.
From what little I remember about the Impact was the barrel’s lack of performance. Which that is an easy fix really, with a new rifled barrel profiled to replace the smooth twist barrel… If that be all that would be wrong with the Impact.
Don’t remember all that I read about the Impact, since I have been so focussed on the Mutant. I will have yet another look see at the Impact though, if nothing more from what you(MikeWh) pointed out 🙂 You could be very right about this Impact being the rifle fore.
At one point I did have a AF Condor that I built up to a really nice multi barrelled setup which had all my on parts made for it, including all the trigger assembly…
I ended up selling it to a member here some time ago. Which I really had mixed feelings on the selling of it. I had made a really great rifle out of it in the period I had it…
I will go back and read over the Impact again, really impressed you picked up my interests like you did MikeW…
Hate that I missed your post to this thread. Thanks for pointing out what you did.
Didn’t send properly
Errata
15.90 grain pellet 1000 fps at 100 yards 15 ft lbs energy.
Figures for .25 -25.4 grain pellet 1000 fps 28 ft lbs energy
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Hi Iride and Rowdy
Mike
Think we agree about velocity and accuracy.
Thought I would run through chairgun very easy to do .
For the benefit of Rowdy – 15.90 grain pellet .22 at 900 fps at 100 yards 13ft lb energy
– “. ” “. “. 15 ft lb energy
Figures for .25 – 900 fps 25.4 grain pellet 100 yards 25 ft lbs energy
“. 1000 fps “. “. 28 ft lbs energy
Question what are you doing with the surplus energy, please?
If as I beleve you like more the adjustments and engineering side really the only gun for you is the FX Impact .
Various other forums talking about the Impact and yes some users have had issues. Buy an impact and send it to Ernest or enjoy the technology therein to correct any issues. That gun working well is a true masterpiece and will allow you to achieve your desires. Fantastic starting point and who knows what you could learn from that , build that into a gun of your own design.
Final thought
I wonder why makers are not building a gun of your desire?!
Safe shooting
All good stuff, Me , I like fun, easy, fast, and accurate, oh light weight also,
Mutant, enough said,
Mike
Hi Rowdy
Airguns are fun to hunt and shoot with.
The diablo shaped pellet is a design feature to reign in long carry overs.
They work best , IMO , all calibres around the 900 fps figure. Higher fps = worse accuracy , more strain on all parts and worse shot count.
Mr F Axellson said quote- there is a war going inside of airguns- unquote .
Using slugs,moulded and swaged pellets.
Most magaziines are not designed for longer pellets and most if not all are designed around diablo shaped pellets.
Why? If one requires/wishes more hitting power move up the calibre, if you must.
Years ago a renowned hunter ( so renowned I cannot remember his name) wrote a book/article called “Use Enough Gun”.
So what are you hunting, what ranges etc etc.
Accuracy is everything .
Most modern airguns in .22 are around 30 ft pounds . Nice to shoot and accurate to a point. At 35 yards wow but 50 yards , 75 yards and 100 yard ranges there lies the gun makers art. Look for trade off in shot count and consistency over a full cycle not just one full magazine shot string.
A very nice Bullpup is a Cricket . . 22 or .25 by way of example. They produce also a 9 mm Cricket. I have yet to see a 100 yard target group anywhere showing a group less than a small Elephant.
The Far east pander to people wanting high power , possibly because of bar room bragging rights.
So top airguns in .22 or .25
Air Arms
Daystate
FX
Kalibr Cricket
Vulcan
Edgun
Maybe others but these companies are innovative and are at the top of their game.
The rest are playing catch up.
Most people replying to your question will promote their own gun so beware.
You pays your money and takes your choice.
Safe shooting
Yeah, I think your right about the Mutant .25 standard or even maybe a long if they make those… Around 28 to 32 grain pellets being able to fire them at 1000fps would be good…
Then if they just had the adjustments to dial the energy up or down easy enough, without a teardown of the rifle… Seems that is the real problem and keep the marketed price away from 2k$$$
For me now is the question of the caliber? I fear the magazine size on the ,25 may be to small for the longer pellets. I figure the magazines are the same size in that reguard, just different in the diameter of caliber… That will suck for me 🙂 I already have issues with my Rapid magazines in the length of pellets I can use.
I always seem to want the stuff they don’t make 🙂 Really pisses me off too 🙂 As I have gotten older I have been able to laugh about that fact now 🙂 I am my worst enemy… At 58 now I got that all down and square 🙂
Sounds like you want a lot of power, and light weight,
FX Impact would be out, Just look at all the trouble the guns are having, Its the most complex air rifle built, and about 2000.00 bucks
Sounds like you need to wait for the 25 mutant send it straight to Dman or Earnest and say you want it to shoot 1,000 FPS with 32 gr pellets,
Or you could do it with a Mutant standard 22 cal , I bet the whole shebang would cost you with super tune and gun less than 1,500 bucks
Get hold of Dman or earnest for details ,
Mike
Yeah that is about the same here. I shoot when ever I want around my house but I not to much on the announcing of it 🙂
The mutant .22 long, wouldn’t that be capable of 21.1 Kodiak’s at say 1100 fps or not? I don’t think the overall length would be such a problem with the long, but I guess it might if I ever got to shoot the short or standard, not really sure.
But hey every air rifle is shorter and most lighter as well, that the main ones I shoot around here. I shoot a Rapid mkII and with it setup ad is, its like 45″ OAL or right at it anyway. Using this rifle is like swinging the house around when tring to hunt with it, the weight on it is not much better either, its like 12 pounds 🙂
Its quite the paper puncher, leaf picker off tree sort of rifle. Anymore I only fill it with nitrogen, never got a compressor and I know I am old enough that I don’t pump them anymore, nor do I get my scuba tank filled.
6000 psi nitrogen tank does a great job, its cheap and easy enough. Plus its dry, clean and really safer than air with certain lubes on pellets. I use to use a dry spray lube on certain pellets that I would shoot off and let diesel just enough to get pellets super sonic. Was not for the faint of heart if you know what I mean 🙂
Anyway, you or anyone else know anything about to two bullpup’s Daysyate have? Not found much about either of them. Just thought if the Pulsar was the same as the MTC Wolf, just in the bullpup setup, you could set it up more than enough energy from it? Maybe not, just have never found much about all that.
I have even tossed around the idea of making a bullpup from all the Rapid parts and the Dawson reciever I have. Its still very possible, I would need a long slim Ti tank, which I think I might be able to have made to what I would want. Just not all sure what Dawson and Chip might have left around now with so much time gone by…
If I was to Frankenstein a Dawson bullpup of sorts from the stuff I have and what I can get my hands on, I know that would be more than enough energy. The shot count would be the issue, I have a regulator that could help with that though.
I just figured I could buy a bullpup that could do all this and maybe not weigh 10 or 11 pounds 🙂 The Mutants trigger assembly looks and sounds awesome. Just not sure of how much energy from it…
Then on another issue I have ran across on the different forums, the smooth twist of the FX barrels.
I was admiring the FX Impact, looked fine to me and figured all of the engineering on it to be spot on… Then I have read quite a bit about the barrel’s not so good at much over 50 yards. That would not work for me at all.
So not sure what to think about the FX Impact, guess I could buy that a get a new barrel and profile it for the Impact, you just hate to go into a new rifle and have to go that direction… That is the sort of stuff though, Tony here on the forum, allows him to do what he does 🙂
Just makes this hard on the guy buying a new or even another rifle, not necessarily a new one. I have ended up buying several used rifles that I still have and like them after reworking them to my liking…
The Mutant 25 should be out in Jan 2017 I hope, The 22 Mutant is not the most powerful 22 , But I think its the most accurate.
My shooting arrangement is like A lot of the guys on here, I live out side of the city limits and pellet guns are legal , Hell any gun is legal but with the closeness of people the cops will shut you down pretty fast,
I do not carry my guns in plan sight nor do I shoot them in plan sight , I make sure of my back stops and shoot from the shadows and my buildings under cover.
I would love to have a shooting day with different guns and compare them, And even show off my old springer’s,
The last person in my yard was the electrician that wired up my 220 for my compressor, I had to lock up my three guard dogs in the house.
They ate through my back door and tore it to peace’s, The electrician was unharmed as the door to the garage was steel.
They are not bad dogs, Its just they were raised to be guard dogs,
Mike
Mike,
Thanks that is the sort of stuff I need. I have seen these on the web, at least a little. What little I have seen on the trigger did peak my interest… It looked and sounded good.
The stuff like their trigger is the stuff I like. That, and I really like a gun that needs the regulator to keep the pellets under 1000 fps.
You know much about their energy capability with this bullpup? The .22 and the .25 is of interest. I really want to play around with some really heavyweight pellets in either one of these calibers.
There use to be a guy here, name was Jerry; him and his son use to cast ringed slugs. They were .25 and larger sizes. These slugs were awesome.
If I can find a bullpup that has really nice workmanship, great trigger and the ability to make more than enough energy through the regulator, I will have one of them unless no shot count to it…
Where in west Texas are you, I saw at the bottom of your post about this. I am in the Lubbock area, if your close by, would like to someday check out your crickets if possible???
The crickets look and sound good also. I am sure they shoot really well. I hsve also trolled around the Edgun that has a magazine to it as well.
Thanks again for any and all the info guys…
Sounds like you need a Mutant, super quiet, super trigger, easy to work on, Very simple gun, 22 in a shorty and a regular bull pup.
They are coming out with a 25, Early 2007 I bet.
EVEYONE that was bought one has nothing but high marks for the gun,
Now I love my Crickets 22 and 25 but once you pick up a Mutant you are caught in the Mutant trap, Nothing else comes close.
Mike
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Same wave length.
Just to be upfront I am very unbiased ( or try to be ) about different makes. Think a lot of them copy one another with variations. Think powerful airguns built mainly for USA market, UK/ Europe not bothered about size, ahem.
FX are innovative , having a Monsoon which I would like to love is a flawed masterpiece. Returned to factory after speaking to MR FX , personally assuredt would be sorted. Well it wasn’t. It is currently cosying up to clothes in old wardrobe.
However do think the FX Impact has a lot going for it. Ernest or you tuned WILL be perfect. Re barrel, Ted of Holdover fame won a large BR competition with the .25 Impact. Granted he is a scientist by trade, and very carefully set gun up with best pellets , think around the 910 fps setting,( he was accuracy hunting) in my mind says it all.
There is no such thing as perfection. Especially in technology areas.
Cars, cameras,tanks etc etc
Surprised no one , to my knowledge, is making discarding sabot rounds for bigger airguns. More shot efficency and high velocity but who would buy them due to high cost. Um. Answered my own question.
Finally back to the impact should be easy to test different barrels. Maybe FX did and came back to the ST set up , ST was designed by that Englishman BEN Taylor! Drop him a line at Milbro UK. Amongst other things he designed that magazine system , still in use, for the original Theoben rapid, dates back to early 1990’s.
Have fun
Safe shooting