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Butcher,
Have I seen it?
It is on my favorites list on my computer, yeah, I have seen it, but is he making them yet? I see no sales info yet.
That in a muzzle loader is the muzzle loader that will get us into centerfire rifle season here in Oregon.
Roachcreek
Hopefully I will see one before dirt nap time.
Roachcreek
Have you seen this yet RoachCreek? .58 in testing phase….the adjustable power (up to 700fpe .452) is available now. Made by a professional hydraulic/pneumatic machinist. I bet you can be sighting one in within a matter of weeks (if not days) and not months (no waiting list).
Riverside,
Yes I do fully understand the price point, and in the case of yours, Joes and RJ’s they seem to be terrific rifles, but they also seem to have a track record of hit or miss acceptable quality.
And that I find unacceptable to my particular wallet, at any price point.
The sad thing to me, is that unlike powder burners, there are only a handful of custom builders that make quaility bigbores. I read Gargoyle is tits up, Barnes takes years and devine intervention for the chance and the funds to own one, there is Dave G? on the yellow forum who apparently builds some science fiction looking, but beautifully finished rifles, but compared to PB’s we just do not have that many sources for good bigbore rifles.
Perhaps the Koreans will come to the rescue and market a rilfe capeable of taking big game that is both reliable and afforable.
The other thing is the stocks, why can’t someone build a classic styled airgun stock? Is there something about airpower that fucks up your taste in stock style?
A plain jane 45 to 58 caliber three shot rilfe with a classic stock and no frills, pushing it’s heavy slug at 900 FPS is waiting out there somewhere to make a maker famous.
Hopefully I will see one before dirt nap time.
Roachcreek
Roach
Guess someone should point out that if Turnbull was building the same basic design of AG as DAQ or JH while the quality would be impeccable the cost would be extraordinary
Paid a bit over $600.00 for my .45 JH, really not a great deal more than my first run Marauder.
Here is a question to the machinists out there:
How much would you charge in term of labor just to craft the pressure tube assembly, breech and barrel work to craft similar rifles to DAQs or Healy’s?
Now add the cost of steel, the barrel & stock blanks and final finish
I really don’t know how either builder is making a great deal over minimum wage for their efforts at the price point they sell at.
Not excusing bad work in any way but the idea either builder is getting rich doing this
well RC, I think you understand where I am coming from.
For the 600 odd dollars I paid for my rifle I am extremely happy, paid a bit more for my DAQ still see that as a bargain
Hell, spent well over a grand just buying the raw parts from The Rifleshoppe to build my Ferguson breech-loading flintlock…I am pretty picky about these things
Not sure why there is such a difference in build quality between my rifle and Ceds, shouldn’t be but there obviously is
I have one simple question about JH’s rifles are they made in bulk or custom ordered then made one piece at a time?
I was looking for a big bore and following this thread closely before making up my mind.
TJ
Well it is 10:54 pm here and I am safely at home from new years at the Eagles. I am drunk, but safely at home. From a career of working the duii shift, I knew when to sneak home from a night of drinking and Rock and Rolling.
I have followed this thread, been invited to join by interested participants, but atlas, I have to admit my ignororance at the subject matter.
But I must say, I have had made several high dollar Powder burners, finished by the likes of Dave Turbull. And I must say I would not do business with subject of this thread, I would not consider it. The last gun I had made, was a Sharps Borshardt, it was engraved by a dying master who signed his work, then Turnbull case colored and blued it, then assembled it to insure it was not warped for the heat treating. I would not dream of having an abortion that has been shown in this thread.
I understand and respect the participants of this thread although they are at opposites, but I hold to my convictions, if this is all the custom airgun industry can offer, you are truely fucked.
Best regard,
Roachcreek
It’s 11:33 pm and I’m heading outside to fire off my JH .457 at my 1/2 steel back stop/backyard target. There are two nights out of the year one can do this without complaint from the neigbors. Fourth of July, and New Years Eve. Oh yeah, I’ll be blasting water jugs from 30 yards away with a PS 22 Night vision attached to my 40 mm bell. And no, I’m not drunk. Happy new year to all my lead laden friends. Be safe and may 2011 be filled with sub MOA groups!
Not that i can stop you 2. but come on………FORGET ABOUT IT.
We’ve all spoken and we ALL KNOW WHATS UP…REGARDLESS!
Everyone on this forum…..PLEASE HAVE A BLESSED AND HAPPY NEW YEARS.
must have started your New Years consumption early Syn…
Never said DAQs weren’t nearly as good as Healys guns
said there are things I do like more about my Healy than my DAQ
Between my .50 Bandit and my .45 JH I do like the Healy more
thing is other than caliber the designs are basically the same being stolen from the Cap’tChur Tranquilizer Dart guns which in turn were an out growth of the Crosman 160 series
main difference is they are HPA rather than dual powerlets
Been little in innovation on the American Big Bore market other than Barnes, the now discontinued Gargoyle and the Casselman as most designs go back to the Dart guns
anyways I am basing my comments based on my Healy .45 and DAQ .50 Bandit both of which run great, are accurate…I just like the look and feel of the Healy better than the DAQ and much of that has to do with DAQs stock design.
Just because you are such a glutton for punishment I will gather up some macros of my rifle next time I am back north, close ups of the bolt perhaps I will even tear out the valve so you can slobber about that too
Then again you will probably take the tact that I reworked the gun and installed custom parts or some such shit
just no winning with your type
was clear from the start of this I did believe Jack had some abortions out there
also been clear my rifle was not one of them
if you can’t deal with that than bitch at everyone else in this thread who have rifles they seem satisfied with too
and I’m crazy? 😆 😆 😆
btw you never did give examples of what you thought were quality big bore AGs on the current market 😉
Wow RS, you ARE crazy.
Your brought the DAQ’s into this conversation claiming they are not nearly as good as the JH’s…
I think from the work I have seen that JH’s ARE crap. The pictures prove it. I have yet to see photos that prove otherwise…
If the DAQ is worse than the JH then it’s crap and shit in my book.
JH is obviously trying to direct to the conversation to someone else to obscure the fact that what he produced was crap.
If I was making custom ags and my work was suddenly in question i’d make the attempt to rectify the situation, why is it on the person who buys the rifle? All they did was send money and receive a subpar product…
But hey, can’t argue with crazy. 🙄
Oh and you do put words in people’s mouth. The double fire post is proof. 😯
Yes it is River. I’m cool with that.
And after reading what you just posted, that definitely is not me he is referring to.
don’t know anything about the transfer port business
here is the cut & paste:
“It all started because I refused to give someone a bigbore in exchange for a review and such.
The funny part is how my internal parts seem to change their molecular structure from 4130 steel to brass. They forgot about their original post of the parts over a year ago as I saved them.
They are mad because I won’t respond to them. I didn’t argue with own my kids and refuse to argue with someone elses.”
no ones name came up and neither was a specific part or component mentioned which is why I didnt direct that at you
dont know who or what he was talking about
do you?
My mind isn’t made up, I accept he has built some abortions
thought I have been clear about that from the start
clearly there are many others that have not had the same experience you had
is that fair enough?
Riverside,
First off, let me say that i should not have said those harsh words to you. There was a better way of explaining myself. I was pissed and i reacted. Today i am in a better place.
Now, Your mind is made up. But i can tell you AGAIN, that i have no hidden agenda. There are 2 sides to a story and JACK has yet to give his cause he does not want to argue with CHILDREN as he put it. If that right there does no show you that he is hiding something then i really don’t know what will. Your mind is made up, “IN YOUR MIND”. And i’m cool with that. Jack responded ONCE to me on the Randy Mitchell forum and he did just what a CHILD would do….HE called me a liar in front of everyone, which means he said his peace, then simply refused to make anymore replies. That is chicken shit big time.
That is like me selling and sending you something that you did not even ask for then you post on the forum that i ripped you off, then i come on and say, “hey, thats what you asked for, I’M DONE”. And then people start calling YOU a liar based off of MY LIE. That’s Chicken shit.
Me and Synopsys explained why i bought the second gun to you probably at least TWICE. Now, i’ll again be HONEST. Besides me being a little silly for not calling Jack and asking for a REFUND on the first gun, i figured that i could AGAIN………..MAKE IT BETTER. And i did. Despite the pics, both guns can shoot and they shoot accurately. But that has to do with the barrels more than anything. They are from a good MAKER. The machining work was pathetic to say the least but as Rob put it, “i could not understand how the gun was still working despite its internal looks”. My hunting buddies both shot my 32 and 457 and they have both seen the insides. When they shoot it though, they are amazed at how accurate the gun are despite what they’ve seen.
Also, why i WASTED MONEY on 2 guns is really non of your concern. Its my business. Obviously i have the money to WASTE…Obviously. So its no ones business. It MY choice to do it.
One last time: Just because i kept CRAP and did not ask for a refund, still does not take away from the fact that CRAP WAS ORIGINALLY and PURPOSELY SOLD for heaps of money. You see, if i did not buy that 32, someone else would have. And it would have been someone elses gripe. That still doesn’t take away from the fact that “CRAP” was sold or that “CRAP” was made for profit.
ALSO, WHY HAVE YOU NOT ASKED JACK WHY HE WOULD ASSEMBLE A GUN THAT HE COULD SEE WAS MACHINED HORRIBLY AND RUSTY? COME ON, ASK HIM AND LET US KNOW WHAT HE “LIES”. I MEAN, “sais”.
OH YEAH, so jack sais that the BRASS transfer port was not his WORK? WTF? I don’t have machining equipment so how did that BRASS T.P. get in the pic………..lol….lol. OMG, that’s the worst so far bro.
You and Jacks stories are WAAAAAAAAAY BETTER than MINE….LOL.
Hold up Syn…
So now we have taken the leap from calling apparently a fair share of Jack’s guns bad to now including Dennis’ rifles too?
As I didn’t say my rifle was crap or that my DAQ Bandit is shit I can only conclude that is your opinion JH rifles are “crap” and DAQs are “shit”
not putting words in your post, its there stated in black and white
So then what is a true world class American big bore rifle?
sure as shit isn’t the Corsair, its half QB and the chinese end of the gun isn’t exactly what I would call precision
Barnes? Yeah wait half a decade and pay thousands for something that looks like it came out of the wreak of a Klingon Warbird
nice guns but a bit exotic not to mention high priced for most folks
sure there are a handful of others too, are they head and shoulder better than a DAQ?
or maybe you are in love with the Korean guns…now that would be a real giggle 😆 😆 😆
Sure I can see not sending a bad product back, fixing it yourself, basically did that with my early Marauder
Have I bought another one since?
I might consider buying a used .25 in a year or two when they are well under $300 but I won’t buy one full ticket price again
that was my point, not that Ced never sent the first one back but that he rolled the dice, chanced it and went back to the well again
I can see most of doing it once but twice?
well certainly not me, obviously others have more money than “cents” 😉
also I accept Ced’s .32 was BAD, Rob has stated his while needing some clean up worked, really don’t know the others involved and their alleged issues
have you personally inspected Their guns?
that’s right and neither have I or Ced.
I don’t easily go out on a limb and endorse sellers or builders
usually all we have to go on is one, maybe two experiences
let me put it another way
lets agree that there are some BAD JH rifles out there
are they all bad?
obviously not, seen now a handful of serious complaints out of dozens and dozens of rifles built so lets be real dicks and say maybe 10% are in need of repair or return
That makes them about as Good or indeed Bad as many of Crosman’s products which in NO WAY excuses Jack for the bad guns he produced, particularly when each is being HANDBUILT mostly from scratch unlike say the Corsair
one should be able to expect a much higher standard of QC
anyways Syn Happy New Year! 😉
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Here is the one that interests me:
It’s the .32 Beaumont Warrior
uses a variety of Daystate parts from the UK with the balance crafted in Holland
Not at all cheap, pretty much the high end of Big Bores but still more ecomical than Barnes Kingon blasters
6 year warranty
http://www.beaumont-airguns.nl/