CNBC ‘Remington Under Fire’ Investigative Report.
CNBC Direct tv channel 355. 9:00PM EST Wednesday, which is tonight.
10 years after the tragic accident, that brought the Remington 700 safety design flaw to the eyes of the general public and lawyers filing 75 lawsuits, CNBC is having a special report.
I bought a Remington 700 knowing about the Safety Design Flaw and having actually experienced it. The gun dealer didn’t tell me about it, and I thought it had been fixed by Remington anyway.
My opinion is that you shoot someone so called “ACCIDENTLY”, it’s your fault. All my fire arms training, Teaches “MUZZLE CONTROL”. Which will prevent all so called “ACCIDENTAL” shootings.
When putting the safety on, or off, as always when ever handling a gun, muzzle control is the most important thing of all. “Never point a any gun toward anything you’re not intending to SHOOT.”
I don’t use the safety on my Remington 700, or any of my guns, as they are “ALWAYS CONSIDERED to be LOADED and DANGEROUS!”
There is no such thing as a safe gun period
Sam 😕
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It is both a problem of the gun and the shooter.
The issue is some rifles (bolt closed, round loaded) will actually drop the firing pin when the safety goes from on to off. So yeah, carrying around the rifle with the safety on, flick off, and bang, it shoots.
Now like I said before, this can easily be caused by an improperly adjusted trigger. So if you are going to adjust the trigger, learn to do it properly and do all of the safety check 4 times more than is called for, or have someone who really knows what they are doing adjust it.
However it can happen with new rifles. Right out of the box it can be a problem.
That is worst case thinking though. There are plenty of people who have them and have had zero problems. I had a remington 700 for a while, and had no issues with it at all (except it kicked too hard :lol:) I had even adjust the trigger on mine to a very nice pull, and still no problems.
So my advice to you is be aware that it can be a problem. Make 110% sure the muzzle is never pointed at anyone or anything it can hurt. Heck, my real advice would be not to use their safety, and simply have the bolt open as a safety. Trigger locking safeties are the worst of the bunch, and remington’s are up there as bad.
But again, millions of owners have never had a problem. So chances are more than good you won’t have any issues either. Just remember muzzle control and enjoy your rifle. 🙂
So what was the problem?
I just a 700, great gun, I did not get a chance to see the show, so what’s the deal?
How is it a problem, firing all a sudden or what?
Solid gun I think, is it just stupid operators or the gun itself?
What, you throw the safety and it goes off or what????
If you guys could elaborate on the story please let SAW know
SAW
Holy crap shaggy!
If someone did that to me I would have taken it from them and beat them until they stopped saying “stop.” That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.
Good thing it was unloaded.
I keep all of my firearms loaded in the cabinet. I got that from my grandad. “A gun without ammo is a club, and usually not a very good one.” But if anyone handles it, first thing I do is drop the ammo out, and check several times that I did.
I know people who shouldn’t have a gun in their hands at all.
I have an Uncle that was going to show me his brilliance, thankfully I kept the Gun unloaded, . It was a 45 automatic Lama.
He says there is a trick to these guns you know! He said is this gun unloaded and befor I could say yes or no he pushed it into my stomach and pulled the trigger.
Although the gun had the same features as the 1911, he didn’t push it hard enought and it snapped. 😯
If the Gun had been loaded it would have been all the same. I would have been shot and he would have declared it an accident.
I didn’t honestly know that he was so stupid.
To this day I have never even let him handle one of my pellet guns with a pellet in reach of his stupid ass.
Lama wasn’t the problem, the problem was in the Know it all, and the solution was in me for keeping it unloaded. Thank goodness out of the two of us, one of us”me” had sense.
The Savage accutrigger is very good also. I have their rimfire and unless the trigger safety is engaged it will not fire.
Safety off, pull the trigger blade without activating the trigger safety, you hear a clunk and nothing happens. And the trigger safety is as light as a feather during regular use.
Thanks for letting us know. I was able to watch it and record it. Had to take the remote from the wife who was also recording Modern Family. We had to watch one or the other when recording both.
Feel for those that were severely injured and for those that lost loved ones.
Oh wow. Yeah I can imagine.
That is a really stupid idea. I didn’t even know they made some that do that. That could probably beat remington’s safety in a contest of “which is worse.” 😆
All of my rifle’s safeties lock the firing pin in some way. The mosin’s (as hard as the the safety is to engage on that rifle it is almost pointless) locks the firing pin back, and it won’t release until you put it back into position. The cz does the same basic thing in a similar manner. And the blaser does some fancy crazy thing that decocks the firing pin and locks it back and down from where it normally sits so it is nowhere near the chamber.
All of those work wonderfully. But like I said, I rarely use them. Only time I will is if I am with someone that feels more comfortable if I do.
Safeties that decock/drop the hammer. That’s another story.
Owned a semi auto smith and wesson 9mm for a while. First time I pushed the safety on with a loaded chamber and it dropped the hammer, I shit, had to change my drawers after that scare.
I modified the safety to not drop the hammer after that. The safety blocked the hammer from the floating firing pin any way.
Sam 😳
Well now I’m embarrassed. Just put up the same thing in the off topic section. 😳 😆
I’m going to watch the next airing of it.
I am sure I have said it before, but I like to repeat it. An improperly adjusted remington trigger can easily have the problem of shooting when the safety is flicked off. I have done it before, not actually shooting the rifle, but when doing safety checks after modifying a trigger. It is easy to avoid if done correctly, but someone who doesn’t know what they are doing can cause it. And if you read online guides, many of them don’t mention checking that as a safety test. If you don’t know how to adjust it, give it to someone who does (and make sure they really do and aren’t just saying that) Also be aware that because of lawsuits like these, remington does void your warranty if you modify the trigger. They can be made into very nice triggers with some work, but if you don’t know how to do the work it could very well have problems.
But having said that, remington does have one of the least-safe safeties in the market. I personally don’t care for safeties at all. And my least favorite are ones like remington’s that only hold the trigger. Just a dumb design. I much prefer a safety that locks/decocks the firing pin. Doesn’t matter what gets bumped or moved or is weak, if the firing pin isn’t cocked, it can’t do anything. But I never use a safety on a rifle anways. Bolt open until it is pointed where I want it to be, and muzzle control. And using those simple rules, I have never accidentally shot anyone.
It’ll be interesting to hear what they say.
I agree with what the Remington 700 designer said ” Poor fire arms handling”.
Also trigger/gun modification was not mentioned in the show and I guarantee that is the cause of alot of so called accidental firing.
The new Remington 700’s have a different safety/trigger group. so this is just anti gun fodder!
Modernizing a 50 year old product is normal for any product that old and I don’t think it is a admission of anything except being out of date.
The 700 had a safety problem, I have no doubt myself, happened to me in the late 70’s, let the safety off, gun fired and I never felt the trigger. 20 years later found out all 700’s of that era had a bad safety!
Sam 😕
Tricky problem here. There’s two issues:
(a) Gun Safety – these mechanisms fail – so keep your gun safe… I totally agree.
BUT
(b) If there’s a systemic design fault that is clearly linked with a failure then it should be altered to reduce the likely hood of it happening.
I think CNBC’s case is that (b) was documented during the testing cycle 50 years ago and has been ignored ever since. The new X-Mark-Pro trigger is possibly a tacit admission of that fact.
I agree, I could care less if any of my guns had safety’s on them. The only use I can see for them is if accidentally dropped.
Well, I take that back, I do like the safeties on my XD. It gives me a false sense of security when I tuck it into the front of my pants when I go for a walk or to the mailbox ).
Watching it now… thank you… 45 mins left.
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Yeah, Lama
Just what I thought, actually I never point that bitch at anything I do not intend to shoot, and that is just me, however, what’s the deal with the700???
I think there are millions out there and jeez, what better way to bash guns, this whole thing is bullshit to say the least.
what is the actual prob. here ???
I think it is bullshit
SAW