Does anyone make a design like this?
I had a thought and it may or may not already be on the market. I wouldn’t doubt it if it already is, but I was thinking about a moderator that not only is on the outside of the frame, but on the inside too. I would think that this would help address clipping.
Picture an Airforce Talon SS. These come with a 12″ barrel as you know and there is a lot of room on the inside for a moderator like this to partially slip in. I’m picturing a moderator that would be mounted in the middle of its total length perfectly balanced at the grub screw position (or whatever that set screw is at the frame).
A 6″ moderator would look like a 3″ one on the outside, but there would be another 3″ inches hidden on the inside. The same goes for a 12″ moderator… It would look like a 6″ moderator by what is showing on the outside of the frame, but in actuality, it would have another 6 inches of moderator on the inside of the frame. One could even request 6″ on the inside, but only 3″ on the outside, but this style would lose the benefits of precise balancing.
I like the idea of it being balanced by mounting it in the middle of the moderator, because these don’t normaly have the benefit of threads holding them securely in place. It seems like this would help with it getting out of alignment which can result in clipping.
I guess this is kind of already being done with a baffle on the inside of the frame and a moderator on the outside, but that setup doesn’t get the benefits of balancing the total weight of the moderator on the mounting position of the frame.
Just a thought. Let me know what you think. Keep in mind that I haven’t purchased a moderator, so I may be addressing something that really isn’t a big deal anyway. There is one contingency… If this strikes you as a good idea and you decide to go into production, you have to send me one for free! LOL! 😉
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I machined a 5″ long delrin core, 3″‘ @ 1″OD and 2″ @ 1.5″OD. A carbon tube as pinned over the 1.25″OD section, and the 1″OD section slid into the frame. Grub screw threaded into the core to hold it in place.
Worked pretty damn good with .22 caliber and a 12″ barrel, added 2″ OAL to the rifle. Vented front bushing and frame vented below front grip made it even better, just make the frame vent holes as small as possible to start.
The core itself had a .266″ hole bored full length, and .75″ holes drilled for baffles (2 holes in the 1.25″ID section, and 3 in the rest, .125″ wall between holes. I then used a .375″ mill to square out the holes giving me as much inner volume as possible.
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Wrote above from memory, the inner section has .526″ holes, not .75 and they were squared as above description but not shown in the drawing.
A 24″ barrel petrudes 6 inches out of the frame. A 18″ barrel should be flush with the frame being 6 inches less. A stock 12″ barrel should leave 6 inches of dead air space on the inside of the frame in which this theory could be applied. I’m pretty sure this goes for a Talon SS and the Condor frame.
I sure would like to hear Tony’s thoughts on this, as he would know for sure if this would be beneficial or not.
Not actually sure about dimensions on the Talon SS, but the moderation of the air flow can not start to be effective until approximately one inch beyond the end of the barrel.
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Nice job! So it sounds like this idea I mentioned could be done. I have a Condor and want to set it up to look like a Talon SS but with the power of the Condor. I am really concerned about sound, as it will be a shooter around the yard at times. I also would like to keep it as short as possible. This is why I would like to go inside the frame with the moderator as far as poss. and the same on the outside for moderator balance. What model gun do you have and how quiet is it now? Thanks for the reply!