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Donnyfl shroud & LDC review

Hey all,

I just wanted to give my review of the carbon fiber shroud and LDC that I received from Donny this week, especially for those of you who are looking for an aftermarket one to quieten your Cricket further. Just recently, my .22 Cricket Standard’s OEM shroud began clipping the pellets. I wasn’t surprised, though, as at least on the .22 version the holes on the baffles and endcap are only a millimeter bigger than the pellet, thus leaving a very narrow margin for error, as Donny also agreed. The pellets were leaving streaks on three of the baffles on my OEM shroud. Not good. So, I went shroud shopping and contacted Donny’s competitor first, and for the purpose of this review, shall remain nameless. He does not do phone calls but communicates via email. I asked him if he would be able to refund my money if it turned out his shroud could not resolve the issue, and he stated that he couldn’t. To me, that’s a big inconvenience and would be a waste of money for something that would basically become a Christmas tree ornament or something a porn star could use in the off-season. This person even told me that he can’t modify OEM shrouds (such as reaming the baffles and endcap). So, a PM to Donny was in order.

After a few PM exchanges, Donny called me and we talked about his shroud and LDC. He was nice enough to offer to send me one of his older shrouds and LDC to test out, and that if I didn’t like them, or if they didn’t eliminate my pellet-clipping issue, I’d simply mail them back to him. In the end, we both agreed that he just make me new ones for me to test. I don’t know too many people who would do such a thing or are kind enough to send merchandise without prepayment first. Donny, however, is one of those people, and I should also mention that it was a pleasure talking to him on the phone. Before we got off, he said that he was going to start making both items (it was on a Saturday) and will mail them on Monday.

Donny did as he promised, and on Wednesday of this week I received the items. Upon opening the packaging, I was blown away by their quality and craftsmanship. They looked really exotic in all their carbon fiber goodness. The holes on the baffles and exit hole on the shroud and LDC are also slightly larger than the stock shroud’s. Both are machined very nicely and look like something produced by a large-scale manufacturing company.

The shroud comes with two nylon-tipped grub screws so that when mounted properly the screws are on its left and right side. Donny also included a threaded adapter/endcap for use with the LDC. Installing the shroud was easily done. Donny obviously wanted to ensure that the screws don’t mar the finish of the barrel, thus the nylon tips. Because of this, sometimes the shroud can move if an ample amount of twisting pressure is applied. When both screws are tightened with the appropriate torque, however, the shroud is as steady as any other. Just be careful not to overly tighten the screws as Donny warned that the carbon fiber could crack. Of course you can replace the nylon-tipped screws with conventional ones to make the shroud rock steady. If you do, though, you risk scratching the bluing of the barrel as well as putting indentations on it.

Okay, after marveling at the finish and craftsmanship of both pieces and the look they projected on my Cricket, I prayed that they would solve my problem. They were just too gorgeous to return! But then again what good would such aesthetic devices be if first, they don’t eliminate the clipping, and second, offer the sound-deadening capabilities I am after.

My first effort was to test the loudness (or silence, rather) of the shroud. My Cricket was initially set to 12 FPE. The sound emitted was slightly louder than the OEM shroud and had a distinctive sharp snap, at least to my ears. I attributed the louder-than-stock report to the four small vent holes on top of the shroud behind the first baffle. I didn’t get to test the sound with the holes covered though. But still, it significantly tames the bark the gun makes without a tube. It wasn’t until I screwed on the LDC that a big difference was detected. All of a sudden I began hearing what it sounds like when the hammer hits the valve on the gun. Also, the sound of the pellet hitting my target box (padded with old jeans) became greater than the “thwuck” sound coming from the muzzle. Amazing! After firing several more rounds, I set my Cricket to 25 FPE and still didn’t detect an increase in decibels, again to my ears at least. The LDC also has vent holes, and when covered, the muzzle report is even lower.

Marveling at the quietness the shroud together with the LDC produced, and with a big grin on my face, it was time to see if they would erase my pellet-clipping misfortune. Well, here’s what the groups looked like. The groups consist of 14 shots each at 27 yards.

And here are two groups I shot today at 27 yards. Each group consists of 36 shots each.

Obviously, the clipping issue was nonexistent, and I would’ve been a fool to return them after being impressed by their muzzle blast sound-reducing and accuracy-retaining features. Having passed the Spinj test, I PMd Donny to report that his shroud was all that and that he had snazzily fabricated a fine piece of airgunning delight that I’d be happy to purchase. From the email exchanges to talking on the phone, Donny is a great fellow to do business and even have a casual chat with. He is not one of those types who just care about getting paid; obviously so, since he wanted me to test both pieces before even paying him. It is a great thing to have him in the airgun community to produce quality products for airgun enthusiasts like me who don’t have the skills and equipment to do so. I would not hesitate to do business with him again in the future. Thanks Donny! :thumb: I am a happy camper!

Below are photos of the shroud and LDC on my Cricket.

Kalibrgun

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IMHO
Owning and operating a one man show/business is very hard and takes a very unique kind of person, and to have a multitude of other skills as well in undertake all of this smoothly.

I commend ALL that do and will not under or say anything less of what I cannot achieve myself.

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I am glad that you got Ernest to fix the problem with your factory shroud, I do not take phone calls because I am on the lathe nearly all day long and taking calls disrupts your concentration. I usually finish work late at night and the last thing I want to do is talk shop after a very long day. Most of my customers understand this and are happy to deal by email, if you are not then that is totally up to you and I fully understand. I also deal with some awkward people, so when one of the first questions asked is, if your shroud clips will you give me a full refund, warning bells sound, knowledgeable customers do not usually ask that. Sometimes my answers will put a customer off, but sometimes that is a good thing based on some of the customers I have had to deal with, most of my customers are repeat customers and know me and know my product and do not even broach the clipping subject because they know it is a none issue. If it happens they know I will take care of them.
I have no problem with you taking your business elsewhere. The first question you asked was about getting a refund and that waves red flags for me, if you had asked me if my shroud had a clipping issue would I take care of it, the answer would have been yes of course. When you make custom items they are very time consuming and none of us like to work for nothing. When this was a hobby for me I had no problem doing things for nothing but after being forced into making it a business working days for nothing is not an option I can afford, I hope you continue to enjoy your shroud, all the best, Neil.

By the way, when I first started to make these my turn around time was about a week, sometimes less, surely the wait time tells you something? Now I have 2 lathes and a mill I have cut my wait times down to about 2 weeks, but there is only so much one person can do in a day. My mornings and evenings are spent answering e-mails, as are my tea breaks. I long to be able to make orders as they come in, but it has just proven impossible.

quote metalman:

Just to put this into perspective from the makers view point.

So, I went shroud shopping and contacted Donny’s competitor first, and for the purpose of this review, shall remain nameless. He does not do phone calls but communicates via email. I asked him if he would be able to refund my money if it turned out his shroud could not resolve the issue, and he stated that he couldn’t.

When you contacted me you told me you had a Cricket that had clipping problems and wanted to know if I could fix this issue for you, my suggestion to anyone with clipping problems is to go to the maker and ask them to fix it. I do not try and fix problems on other makers products for good reason, there is absolutely no way for a maker to know if the problem is with the gun or the shroud itself. Your question to me was, if your shroud clips will you give me a full refund?
When I am asked a question like that on a gun that already clips the answer is no! If you had asked me if it clips will I stand by my product and make sure it works on your gun, the answer would be yes, and if I could not make it work on your gun, then I would give a full refund.
You need to ask the right questions, maybe Donny has more free time than I do, but I am always very hesitant to make anything for a customer when he tells me the gun already has a clipping issue.
I hope this puts some perspective on my responses, Neil.

Your question to me was, if your shroud clips will you give me a full refund?
When I am asked a question like that on a gun that already clips the answer is no! If you had asked me if it clips will I stand by my product and make sure it works on your gun, the answer would be yes, and if I could not make it work on your gun, then I would give a full refund.

With all due respect, you have a very odd way of making clarifications. I told you in my email that the stock shroud on my Cricket was clipping the pellets. It was evident, and I confirmed that was the culprit. You should have told me that you would refund my money if “your” shroud presented clipping problems. You said “You can not get a refund because a shroud clips, quite often the problem lies with the gun itself and not the shroud or LDC, custom makers can not make [a] shroud for customers and then give refunds because of a clipping problem which may be the gun itself.” Now you say on your post that you would stand behind your product and give a refund? You should have told me that.

This is an extraction from the I email I sent you: “I have discovered that the pellets may be clipping the baffles and end cap on the stock shroud.”

At any rate, there is no point in going further with this. Thank you for your time, though, in responding to my emails. I appreciate it. However, I am very satisfied with the current shroud and LDC combo I have. I especially like how the seller does phone calls in addition to PMs, offers a money-back policy and very fast turnaround time (less than one week). He even goes so far as to send his product for testing without charge; if the customer does not like it, or if it still doesn’t resolve the issue, all it takes is to send it back. For someone like me, it is important that I speak with the seller so that things can be directly communicated and understood. Also, I am thankful that Ernest was able to work on the stock shroud by reaming the baffles as well as reaming the endcap and repainting it as well. Not to mention, he’s also an awesome person to talk to on the phone and exchange text-messages with.

Just to put this into perspective from the makers view point.

So, I went shroud shopping and contacted Donny’s competitor first, and for the purpose of this review, shall remain nameless. He does not do phone calls but communicates via email. I asked him if he would be able to refund my money if it turned out his shroud could not resolve the issue, and he stated that he couldn’t.

When you contacted me you told me you had a Cricket that had clipping problems and wanted to know if I could fix this issue for you, my suggestion to anyone with clipping problems is to go to the maker and ask them to fix it. I do not try and fix problems on other makers products for good reason, there is absolutely no way for a maker to know if the problem is with the gun or the shroud itself. Your question to me was, if your shroud clips will you give me a full refund?
When I am asked a question like that on a gun that already clips the answer is no! If you had asked me if it clips will I stand by my product and make sure it works on your gun, the answer would be yes, and if I could not make it work on your gun, then I would give a full refund.
You need to ask the right questions, maybe Donny has more free time than I do, but I am always very hesitant to make anything for a customer when he tells me the gun already has a clipping issue.
I hope this puts some perspective on my responses, Neil.

Speaking about the shrouds, I have some goodie for you for sale:
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=33022

quote Zonk:

Don’t forget to open that window…………………….. :rofl:

:rofl:

Don’t forget to open that window…………………….. :rofl:

quote iride:

I am with you SPINj on the Vulcan , Mutant crosshairs,
Another big plus is the .25 cal of the Vulcan,
I go back and forth on my 22 and 25 Crickets , If just depends on what day if is as far as which one is best,
I will be like Zonk just flipping a coin, But reading everything on the guns before I pull the trigger ,
Mike

Even if the Mutant’s stock looked better, it would still be a hard decision for me to make because the one big advantage the Vulcan has for me is the cocking lever being up front. Man, I really want to know what Sniperqty is saying in this (comparison) video about the part he puts his finger on (starting at 8:06) on the Vulcan’s trigger mechanism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzdSnv1Ifb4. I’m thinking it’s hammer bounce. If he can only find an English translator for him.

Meanwhile, here’s my Cricket keeping surveillance on pest-birds that plan on wrecking my backyard garden. We just tilled the soil several weeks ago and planted some beans, eggplant, and squash. Mmm, there’s nothing more delicious than organic veggies to harvest and stir-fry in the fall.

I am with you SPINj on the Vulcan , Mutant crosshairs,
Another big plus is the .25 cal of the Vulcan,
I go back and forth on my 22 and 25 Crickets , If just depends on what day if is as far as which one is best,
I will be like Zonk just flipping a coin, But reading everything on the guns before I pull the trigger ,
Mike

quote SaltwaterSlick:

I’m a real fan of Donny’s shrouds n LDC’s too. I also got an early version of his CF shroud/LDC combos. To make a long story short, Donny made modifications to the early versions and each upgrade he did, he sent me one to try out and review… Later I bought a used .22 cricket off the Yeller and it had a Donny shroud. With all the development Donny did with my .25, I had extra LDC’s for the .22. Donny even offered to take the old versions back and bring them up to new design… I told him that would be great, How much? Nothing he told me! Wouldn’t even consider taking any more money from me!

If you’re looking for simple, quiet, and well built from a great guy, look no further! When I pull the trigger on a new Vulcan, Donny will be where I get my quiet from!

:2cents:

I’m also looking at either the Vulcan or the Mutant, and should I need even more quiet, I’m calling Donny up. I’m just going to do more research on both before deciding on which to go with. At the moment, it’s the Vulcan at 60% and the Mutant at 40%. From reading up on and looking at photos in the posts about the Mutant’s trigger system, though, I think its better than the Vulcan, although the Vulcan also seems to have a fully-adjustable one too. But because I haven’t yet seen either in the metal and wood, let alone held and tried them, that’s just my opinion. I like the Mutant’s design a little bit more than on the Vulcan primarily because it’s similar to the Cricket’s, which I’m a fan of — simple and elegant. Its stock though…umm…not so much.

I wish Sniperqty would speak English in his Youtube videos. Sometimes I think he’s mad when he’s talking. :confusedn: . Anyway, I find them quite informative and educational, and I want to know what he’s saying about the Cricket, Vulcan, Ataman, and Mutant. Not to mention, he is an awesome long-distance shooter.

Having said the things above, however, my Cricket still kicks mucho badongkadonk! :8:

quote Zonk:

Spin, here’s my rocket………….

I feel a lot safer in this…..

here’s the Boss driving………

You’ve got quite some real estate there, Zonk. Beautiful scenery too…and the Mrs. also. It’s no wonder you own an airgun.

I’m a real fan of Donny’s shrouds n LDC’s too. I also got an early version of his CF shroud/LDC combos. To make a long story short, Donny made modifications to the early versions and each upgrade he did, he sent me one to try out and review… Later I bought a used .22 cricket off the Yeller and it had a Donny shroud. With all the development Donny did with my .25, I had extra LDC’s for the .22. Donny even offered to take the old versions back and bring them up to new design… I told him that would be great, How much? Nothing he told me! Wouldn’t even consider taking any more money from me!

If you’re looking for simple, quiet, and well built from a great guy, look no further! When I pull the trigger on a new Vulcan, Donny will be where I get my quiet from!

:2cents:

Spin, here’s my rocket………….

I feel a lot safer in this…..

here’s the Boss driving………

quote REARSPROCKET:

Yes I ride “REARSPROKET” .
Nice Gixxer, I have two minty Old School Gixxers, a 98 SRAD750 and a K2 1K, both B&W. Image from the pic thread on Gixxer dot com

Cool beasts you got there rearsprocket. Hmm, I’m currently thinking of pinstriping on the Cricket stock like I did on my bike. What do you think?

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