DOT & CE Approved
Guys;
http://www.bestfittings.co.uk/shopcreateorder.asp
Please i want to understand whether the DOT or CE approved cylinders can be refilled at any diving shop or not? regardless of the pressure/ capability of the shop…
i don’t understand what does DOT or CE means? (poor man) 😳 😳 😳
here there is one shop for refilling air cylinder for the firefighters and divers as well, there brand name is (Scott) i think they are US, not Eu,
i have plan to buy one from BEST FITTINGS (the one that i provided its link above), and i want to be sure i will not have problem with them for refilling the cylinder….
please your kind help and advises would be highly appreciated….
Hemn .M
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Then we (you) wait and see what they will come up with and meanwhile you’ll get a mean workout pumping 😉
Best regards
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Thanks a lot my Dear Dr. KrllE; believe me i haven’t got enough time to visit the only shop here, i am an accounts executive in an oil and gas company ( actually a joint venture of two big company in the middle east ) and i am alone with my manager, there were two other accounts they resigned, we have a very tight time to go with our responsibilities, i am the one who taking care of almost 500 employees in the plant-camp and main office, payroll, AP, JE, book closing,,,,,,, in the other hand my wife and family….. i shouldn’t be a selfish man and only b with my hobbies,
another reason is one hunting shop told me that they have ordered air cylinder tanks … i am waiting for them, and let see.. what they are ordered???? i am not sure whether they will bring the right one or not???
thanks brother Dr.
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Long time – No hear! How did it work out for you Hemn? Did you by a scuba tank and did you end up buying from “Best fittings”?
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Dear Big Brother Trygve;
welcome back to the forum :8: :8: , i missed you so much,,,, thanks for your reply and info you have put …. will you tell me how could you patience till now and
not to get your R3M yet?
Brother Dr. Krille;
thanks a tons for your info, i wish you didn’t lose your first reply and we would be benefit from it for sure…. and i can say that your posts are really gave me an idea how to check with the existing shop here… thanks…
Brother Ville; thank you very much ,,,, i always like your jokes and informative replies as well,,,, thanks for all… you really nice guys all and made me fill that i am living in Eu and US for getting any info that i might need it at any times… thanks my brothers i appreciate it…
I will make a new attempt but I will keep it short this time 😉
CE = Conformité Européenne and is mandatory if you are going to sell a product in the European Union and it assures that the product meet the standards and specifications.
DOT stands for US Department of Transportation does more or less the same but for the US and its submarkets.
Apart from DOT and CE there are several other markings on a scuba tank stating work pressure, test pressure, test date , serial number , mfg and more depending on the country.
But back to the DOT, Hemn what about your country? US or Europe? DOT or CE? And if the tank has the correct markings and is pressure tested within the prescribed time I would think it’s up to the shop if they only fill for licensed divers, maybe not good business but nevertheless their prerogative…
One marking doesn’t exclude the other and a tank can have both DOT and CE, just look at tires they have DOT markings here in Europe and if not they aren’t aloud on the street!
Best fittings tanks are CE marked but NOT DOT! So be sure to check what’s required in your country Hemn.
Good luck!
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I had a long and explanatory answer written but accidentally deleted it, must be the oxygen deprivation…
I will make a new attempt but I will keep it short this time 😉
CE = Conformité Européenne and is mandatory if you are going to sell a product in the European Union and it assures that the product meet the standards and specifications.
DOT stands for US Department of Transportation does more or less the same but for the US and its submarkets.
Apart from DOT and CE there are several other markings on a scuba tank stating work pressure, test pressure, test date , serial number , mfg and more depending on the country.
But back to the DOT, Hemn what about your country? US or Europe? DOT or CE? And if the tank has the correct markings and is pressure tested within the prescribed time I would think it’s up to the shop if they only fill for licensed divers, maybe not good business but nevertheless their prerogative…
One marking doesn’t exclude the other and a tank can have both DOT and CE, just look at tires they have DOT markings here in Europe and if not they aren’t aloud on the street!
Best fittings tanks are CE marked but NOT DOT! So be sure to check what’s required in your country Hemn.
Good luck!
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DOT = US guys only. European shops won´t fill.
CE = Europeans only. US shops won´t fill.
If it really works like that i don´t know. I bet there are shops that don´t really care since both CE & DOT certification accomplishes the same thing,ultimately ..
Ask the evil Dr. KrillE. He sure knows, being a diver. Why do you think he´s such PITA ?? He has suffered from too little oxygen/air too often. The oxygen shortage probably started by the time he was given birth ..
It is exactly as you say…
DOT = US
CE = Europe
– and they are not interchangable. That said, this is theory only, as both have been tested beyond any reason.
However, you will probably experience problems in some parts of the world where they stick to the “book”. It appears veeery difficult to find anybody willing to fill a DOT-labeled bottle in Norway as an example. Also there is a difference in testing intervals between bottles used for breathing underwater and others. Diving bottles have stricter rules (shorter intervals between testing). IF you fill a DOT cylinder in Europe (or CE labeled bottle in the US) and experience a problem (explosion), you may find your insurance company unwilling to pay………
I have problems understanding why manufacturers don’t use both labels on their bottles/cylinder. Probably because the testing procedure is costly. Luxfer is the main producer of small airgunbottles like you find on Daystates and BSA R10, – and they have doubblemarked their bottles (not all of them) where the need is there.
The rules related to “pressure vessels” (the correct name in the law/regulations) are indeed difficult to penetrate/understand at times. This is a true jungle for people with special interests.
Worth mentioning is that our PCP’s are being considered “pressure vessels” by the law/regulations and should in theory also have been labeled (ref Luxfer). Neither EDguns or Crickets are so far, and I am not sure how my insurance company will react if something unwanted should happen. Highly unlikely I admit, – but still food for thought as the guns get older……..
Cheers from Trygve in Lanzarote (can’t wait to get home as my new R3M is there waiting for me !!!) 😀
i know they will refill for higher pressures… the one here also has ability above 300 bar…
but my question is; if the tank is DOT approved, can you use it in Europe and refill it from diving shops? or if the tank is CE approved, can US guys use it in USA and refill it from the diving shops out there?
Any Scuba shop around here is willing to fill any 200 or 300 bar tank certified for compressed air. They don´t care wheter you use the tank for smoke diving,filling balloons or for that extra air in a heavily crowded room. As long as it´s within the test period for its approved pressure test.
I´m quite sure it´s like this :
DOT = US guys only. European shops won´t fill.
CE = Europeans only. US shops won´t fill.
If it really works like that i don´t know. I bet there are shops that don´t really care since both CE & DOT certification accomplishes the same thing,ultimately ..
Ask the evil Dr. KrillE. He sure knows, being a diver. Why do you think he´s such PITA ?? He has suffered from too little oxygen/air too often. The oxygen shortage probably started by the time he was given birth ..
I haven´t had any problems filling my Scuba tank and although i have a divers certificate somewhere no one has ever asked me to show one. I have only used two places to fill my tanks but i called to several different dive centers when i was looking for the best place to fill the tank for the first time. The only thing they said it needs to be an approved tank. I explained them all what i needed the air for and they didn´t care ..
It´s inexpensive too – costs under 10 $ for a fill.
Brother Ville;
i know they will refill for higher pressures… the one here also has ability above 300 bar…
but my question is; if the tank is DOT approved, can you use it in Europe and refill it from diving shops? or if the tank is CE approved, can US guys use it in USA and refill it from the diving shops out there?
Any Scuba shop around here is willing to fill any 200 or 300 bar tank certified for compressed air. They don´t care wheter you use the tank for smoke diving,filling balloons or for that extra air in a heavily crowded room. As long as it´s within the test period for its approved pressure test.
That might be so in Sweden but it all depends on the shop you go to here in the states.
I couldn’t fill my tank with just compressed air into my scuba tank because the shop wanted to see my license for diving and wouldn’t fill my tank because they didn’t want to take responsibility if I happened to use the tank for diving….so I had went to my local paintball shop and had them fill my tank…they know me there and they knew I understood how to handle the tank with that much pressure….plus I’ve been using my scuba to fill my paintball tanks for years.
The pumping builds character ! And tones one´s upper body to boot – not to mention the cardio workout you get as a bonus .. 😆
Any Scuba shop around here is willing to fill any 200 or 300 bar tank certified for compressed air. They don´t care wheter you use the tank for smoke diving,filling balloons or for that extra air in a heavily crowded room. As long as it´s within the test period for its approved pressure test.
My Brother Mark;
thanks a lot for your great help, i really appreciate that,
in fact i never knew your first post, but the 2nd one i know, because i used airguns of arizona formula for calculation (http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Tanks/FillCalc.html),
i will check also with the shop here and let see …. hopefully i can get survived from pumping….
that one which i am interesting on, has a best gauge and very accurate see here (http://www.bestfittings.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=623)
thanks my brother Mark…
I am sure you know this… but just as a heads up. ( only because I now you have been using a hand pump to fill your Edgun Long)
1 Bar = 14.50377 psi
310 BAR = 4500 Psi
300 BAR = 4351 Psi
220 BAR = 3190
200 BAR = 2900 psi
120 Bar = 1740
sooooooo…..you can fill you Edgun…..(Approx)
3 ltr bottle = 7 refills
7 ltr bottle = 18 refills
12 ltr bottle = 32 refills
I know your a smart guy… because you already have an Edgun.. many of the guys I help locally don’t really understand the Air Tank pressure concept.
So just in case I hope this helps
Mark
Hemm..
I am sure you know this… but just as a heads up. ( only because I now you have been using a hand pump to fill your Edgun Long)
1 Bar = 14.50377 psi
310 BAR = 4500 Psi
300 BAR = 4351 Psi
220 BAR = 3190
200 BAR = 2900 psi
120 Bar = 1740
sooooooo…..you can fill you Edgun…..(Approx)
3 ltr bottle = 7 refills
7 ltr bottle = 18 refills
12 ltr bottle = 32 refills
I know your a smart guy… because you already have an Edgun.. many of the guys I help locally don’t really understand the Air Tank pressure concept.
So just in case I hope this helps
Mark
Brother Hem…
DOT = DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION… (these tanks are not certified to USA/USA Scuba standards)
CE = Category Exclusion…(best guess is that they are used for AIRGUNS… they may have a different certification in the UK… and not for SCUBA use)
I would check with your local SCUBA Shop as to what your local certification standards are. I am not SCUBA Certified, so it may be different in your area.
Hope this helps
Mark
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Hopefully… Dr,Kr
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