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EDgun Leshiy

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This model of the gun, for today is the record for EDgn company in making gun from the project to the ready to shoot sample. Early morning of 2nd of January I left my home for my technology engineer’s home (1.4 thousand km away) to make a new project together. For just three days, from scratch, this gun was projected. This is ideal way, to my opinion, when the designer and the technologist are sitting together in one place and make the project. There is no necessity of the coordination by Skype of e-mail, maximum result in the minimum time. This gun was projected after Lelya 2.0 and Matador R4, thus we had such an experience already. Besides we understand each other without any words sometimes.

After four days of heavy and exhausting work we looked at the monitor and, breathing out just could say “That is shit genius!”. The name of the gun appears in my head immediately Leshiy (wood goblin), as this is a kind of survival gun, means made for forest, unpretentious, inconspicuous. And no any name can be used for it since that

I returned back home with the feeling I made a great work. While on the way back I invented few small things to improve it, we discussed it in Skype and Igor’ began to make the drawings for the production department. That is very nice that we planned to take some CNC machines out of the main production just to make samples. That helped us a lot in this case. I set the task for the production department to give me the sample towards the middle of February as I wanted to take it to IWA 2016. They were in a success and in the middle of February the samples were ready and Igor’ just grabbed them and took the plane to me to assemble them together. The details of Leshiy were being galvanized in the morning and the same evening Igor was at my house with them.

The very next morning we began to assemble it. As with any prototype we had some problem while assembling it but mainly due to the lack of some specific O-rings or springs, no problem with the design of the gun. It words perfectly.

Towards 6 o’clock PM I managed to make this short video to show people in production department who were hard working for the whole month to achieve that result.

Leshiy it is conceptual new gun. The first idea was to make a kind of survival gun. Means the gun which has minimum details, which is always ready to shoot, which is not afraid of mud, sand, coldness or heat, which will work everywhere and all the time. That is why I came to the idea that it doesn’t need the breech, the bolt. The ideal way to have the air blowing to the skirt of the pellet directly. To make it more effective in the way of air consumption it was necessary to avoid any turn of air on the way from valve to the pellet. Thus the valve should be turned over for 180 degrees.

Then I realized that the ideal way would be to fix the reservoir to the back part of the gun. In fact I “invented” Talon :). But it didn’t meet my requirement to the concept of the survival gun, compact and powerful. But what if the tank could fold? Bingo! That is what I need, compactness, and always ready to shoot.

Next I have just details which stringer to the main concept.

The fixing of the moderator. First of all I wanted to follow the scheme I use at Matador R4 or Lelya 2.0. That was a perforated sleeve on the breech of the barrel and tightening nut at the end of the barrel, through the moderator. We looked at that from different points but failed to get it compact. The guns just grew up in the width because of the hinge of the stock. Then I remembered that I got some problems with Matadors which were before R3, those one with two eight-shaped clamps, like at modern Crickets now. I got the problem with the chokes under those clamps at they squeezed the barrel tightly. So I got two chokes along the pellet movement through the barrel. So, I thought what if I will install a kind of clamp at the end of the barrel to fix it? That is what I needed! We take choke free barrel. Fix it by its end, get the light choke by squeezing it with the clamp, that will improve the accuracy but will allow to use any heavy pellets which “doesn’t like” choke. And the guns stay slim! Plus to that there is no thread on the barrel, both at the beginning and the end that makes its inside surface smoother. Such a design of barrel fix plus to bolt free concept of the gun allows to change the caliber of the gun from .177 up to .25 not touching any other parts of the gun. To align the barrel at the breech are there is a plastic sleeve.

I was thinking a lot about the length of the barrel. We got 200 mm at the prototype, that wasn’t enough. But what should we do with the size of the gun as there is a task to have it no longer then 350 mm while folded? Offset moderator, of course! Like I tested at the previous models already. Thus it allow us to install 250 mm length of the barrel that gives us quite good work of the moderators as well. Calling it quite good I am quite humble, as usually :). New moderator, with the new design of the baffles gives us very good result of sound suppressing.

As the barrel is 250 mm one shouldn’t expect phenomenal results, you have to consider it in a real way. But you can see at this video that the speed of the pellets and the energy is quite good for this small gun as well as the accuracy. Take into consideration that I used 4 magnification scope with thick reticle, that didn’t allow me to see the target clearly.

You can see also how the barrel can be changed.

As I refused of our traditional way of fixing the moderator by the tightening nut so I decided to make it even simplier. As that is offset moderator it means it can take only one position if it has two toeholds. The first one is the end of the barrel which the moderator is set on. The second is the ouside diameter of the moderator which is installed inside the tube of the gun body. So, just tight it with the cap from one side to fix it. By the way that give you chance to have longer barrel. Just install the 100 mm tube inside the body of the gun, the moderator will set to this tube and inside the outside tube with the came cap. As the gun has possibility to change the caliber the wholes in the moderator are made for .25 caliber.

Here is just third changing of the barrel in my life, with on experience in it.

That is first hunting with it.

Many countries require the safty for the guns. It is not difficult to put it into any scheme of the gun. The manufacturers usually use the simpliest way, to block the trigger. I decided to go the other way, to block the sear, to guaranty the gun will not shot. Thus the safety blocks the sear. One can put it on safety mode bay hand or if you fold the butt/reservoir completely it is set to safety automatically. The gun can be set to the safety mode only being cocked. The movement of the safety is short, one can hear the click while using it. The way it is located is comfortable too – at the end of the index finger.

Unfortunately I had to refuse of great working revolving hammer and return to line moving hammer due to the size of the gun. But it is quite confortable to use. You can even uncock it without folding the butt/reservoir.

The trigger is not regulated no by the length of the movement no by the power (that is survival gun) but I considered important to install the stopper of the trigger movement after the hammer goes, that will influence to the accuracy in a good way. Besides it is possible to install there the screw with the spring-loaded head to simulate the “step” at the last stage of movement the trigger.

We got the problem with the fixing the screw of the hammer spring. Due to the size of the gun I failed to install there normal locknut. The new way, to my opinion, should be welcomed by the users. That is ratchet with the spring-loaded ball. One can calculate clicks while adjusting the spring, and it sounds so “sexy” 🙂 Besides one has access to it without necceserety to disassemble the gun.

I decided to make the butt very “aggressive” with big and sharp “clogs” to catch any garment. Installing the rubber butt pads I considered as way out of the survival gun 🙂

The butt has a feature of the clevis, which is comfortable to use to fix the gun to any part of your equipment, bag pack etc.

The gun is equipped with the regulator but no gauge. As the reservoir is small, just 54 cm3 to install the gauge there would take volume(we cannot make it longer). So, you can pump the up to 300 bar, using your standard tank and you will hear when the regulator is off by the sound of the shot. Time to pump it again!
No doubt due to the small volume of the reservoir one shouldn’t expect any fantastic number of shots from the fill. The main idea of this gun was to make few accurate shots but not to plink for gun. At the first test I got 12 shots from 250 bar filled in the gun. I used JSB King, 1.645 grams (25 grain) and the speed of the pellet was 225 m/sec (738 f/sec). The everage air consumption was 9.7 cm3/Jole. Then I changed some parameters and got 18 shot with the same speed from the same filling pressure, that makes the air consumption equal to 7.5 cm3/Jole. That is not bad I think.

At video above you can see three different calibers shot. I didn’t readjusted either hammer spring tension or regulator set, just changed the barrel. I think there are some reserves for making it better.

I can tell for sure that I got no questions to the design of Leshiy after I first assembled it, the design was considered completely successful from the point of view of manufacturing and working as it was devised. Anyhow while testing that for few weeks and listening to the people at IWA 2016 I made more then 30 changes in Leshiy which will just improve it.

At the beginning I got an idea to have open sights but since the axis of the eye view is to hight above the gun I refused that idea. I decided to sell it with the new EDgun scope 5×20 which I just began to design and expect the samples to test within couple of months.
I decided to pack it in the waterproof hard plastic case, that meets the main concept of the gun as the gun of survival. You can see it here:

Some other feature you should like

In general, to my opinion, the gun is not just doomed to be successful but it gives the new way of development of PCP airguns like it did in the past Matador and Lelay. I am sure completely that there will not be any indifferent people to this gun as there were not at IWA show, that was the gun which was quite difficult to find at the shelf. It was always in somebody’s hands 🙂 The only words I hear about it at IWA “When?” and only after that “How much?” in this turn 🙂

I expect to have first 500 guns to be ready in July. I opened the booking for it in Russia few days ago and about 240 guns are booked now out of 500. So, for those who has a EDgun representative in your countires apply to them to book, for those who has not – write me directly in feedback from http://www.edgun.com

As the gun is multi caliber while preordering you should ask the main caiber (it will be engraved on the body of the gun) and what caliber and how many additional barrels.

I didn’t set the price yet, so I can just put in the waiting list. No deposits should be taken for booking. When I know the price I will inform about it seperatly. But it will not be cheap, due to the way it is made, only CNC machines, no casting nothing, solid, robust, reliable.

EdGun

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quote keyser soze:

… In all fairness to Eduard, he has sent me parts and answered questions for me, but he will go dark on customers for a few months …

Thanks Keyser for your post!

Going dark on customers for a few months is still ok but instead of solving problems saying publicly that things are onle made up is another….

But what is over is over and for me that situation is over but to avoid similar situations in the future today I work more on prevention…

It’s like a good party where some beating can happen but the morning after everything is OK 😀

So lets follow now the evolution of the officially newly born Leshiy :popcorn:

(Actually Ed said he will give birth in July…..)

Anyway I wish the child all the best and depending on the circumstances I could eventually also adopt one, with or without his chinese glasses :8:

quote keyser soze:

That’s what I love about TAG. No lines drawn by Adam or Tony. This is what makes TAG so different.

True dat

That’s what I love about TAG. No lines drawn by Adam or Tony. This is what makes TAG so different.

quote acourvil:

There is difference between (a) publically talking about and addressing problems or shortcomings in products or services, and (b) childish and repetitive name calling and simply attempting to be disruptive. Not everyone agrees on exactly where that line is drawn.

Well I didn’t realize that you were the authority on these matters. I’m honestly sorry how dare I act like a repetitive child here on the EDgun board. While the EDgun Fluffiers try and save the day.

There is difference between (a) publically talking about and addressing problems or shortcomings in products or services, and (b) childish and repetitive name calling and simply attempting to be disruptive. Not everyone agrees on exactly where that line is drawn.

What some see as whining I see as earned. Those of you who have never had an EDgun problem view negative post as whining. I know I used to be one of you. One could search my old post and see a back and forth where I defended EDgun and argued with Pip and Ville regarding the merits of the Matador. The fact is they had traveled road I was yet to travel. I was once like you, that is I had not eaten from the tree of knowledge. If you ever have a real problem with an EDgun in the USA you will understand posts that are thought to be 90% whining.

Take a look at the Vulcan section and find the same complaints. Oh, problems arise, anything mechanical in this world will eventually break. The difference is how Evengy handles his customers. In all fairness to Eduard, he has sent me parts and answered questions for me, but he will go dark on customers for a few months where Evengy will not. I often get a response from AGT within 2 hours.

My point is customers service is severely lacking with EDgun USA. I have have had to get parts from Ari at DASE shop. This is not right and the reasons for a lot of EDgun hate seems to worm to the surface is because some EDgun owners are like battered women, flinching and fearful of a potential beating they may get with a new EDgun.

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quote acourvil:

It’s 10% constructive criticism and 90% whining.

BTW, Oak’s posts make a lot more sense to me now that I figured out the ignore function for the new software.

Anything you can share on how to use the ignore function would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.

The EDgun kiss asses are back in full force yes Larry we sniveling little bitches over here at EDgun on the TAG. Maybe you should do a brush up and realize why folks are so Happy with Edgun these days. Yeah Larry we all have the drill down with Ed and Tony Rudenko and how shit changes while it never changes. The bulletin board is a place where folks air their elation as well as there aggravation. Thanks for sharing. :butkick:

Dear Pippo, thanks for the clarification on your latest post. I find myself in agreement with some of your points regarding Ed’s Goblin. I would point out, with respect, this Ed gun offering is still on the drawing board and most likely will change as time passes. I see you have been on the forum for a number of years has your theme always been anti Edgun?
It seems to me that the TAG forum has changed in the last few months. Clever and amusing posts are rare lately, replaced by sniveling, whining and name calling. Not that you would engage in such moronic drivel. I hope you get some trigger time behind you favorite AG and your red wine sales are profitable.

Regards
LarryW

Just to avoid misunderstandings about my position on the Leshiy.

I consider it a nice little fun gun with some flaws but then there is no perfect gun.

If it will prove over time to be accurate and reliable (like I really do hope for Ed and all his efforts) then personally I consider it in the price range between a Veles and under an old Lelya when delivered with one barrel.

The Leshiy has also a chinese scope (unfortunately imposed) and is single shot, the Lelya is also single shot, doesn’t have a chinese scope but has a walnut stock and a pressure gauge.

If you add to this equation the fact that with the Leshiy probably you have to pay as well for a chinese scope that probably you won’t use and you will have to pay in addition for another scope then I consider the mentioned price range more than adeguate but then this is just me, based on my evaluations and everybody is free to spend his hard earned cash the way he likes best.

:2cents:

Thank god you figured that out Dung Beetle. We would not want you suffering from the reality being spoken in my posts . Let’s all ignore the issues with EDGUN and the way they do business. Lets jump on the grand Edgun Dick and ride. I will keep the facts in people’s faces daily so p00r saps are not pulled in with your bull shit. You love Edgun Cheers Dung Beetle however I will not let Eds on going disregard for his customers fall into the cracks of oblivion. So do as you do and roll your
DUNG IN THE DESERT Beetle. As the English so candidly say Piss Off :biggrinn:

quote acourvil:

It’s 10% constructive criticism and 90% whining.

Time will tell but just ignore like I do 😀

quote Ed:

Then I remembered that I got some problems with Matadors which were before R3, those one with two eight-shaped clamps, like at modern Crickets now. I got the problem with the chokes under those clamps at they squeezed the barrel tightly. So I got two chokes along the pellet movement through the barrel. So, I thought what if I will install a kind of clamp at the end of the barrel to fix it? That is what I needed! We take choke free barrel. Fix it by its end, get the light choke by squeezing it with the clamp, that will improve the accuracy but will allow to use any heavy pellets which “doesn’t like” choke.

(…)

By the way that give you chance to have longer barrel. Just install the 100 mm tube inside the body of the gun, the moderator will set to this tube and inside the outside tube with the came cap.

Won’t you have the same problem with a longer barrel like in R2.5 – choking effect in the middle of the bore, not at the end?

How many shots did you shoot through the gun? Can you guarantee that it will work perfectly fine for e.g. 10k shots?

The last thing is the guaranteed precision. For Matador it is 20mm x 20mm at the distance of 50 meters in the perfect conditions, benchrest style. How about Leshiy?

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