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First Focal Plane Scope from Athlon

As many of you that have been here for years know, I am a Scope snob,and have been for many decades. My first Optic purchace was a pair of Cub Scout Binos when I was in the Cub Scouts.
Now at 62 year of age, (ever notice that the years of age thing is only used for Old Farts)? I have many years of trying, testing, owning, and using both everyday and fine optics from around the World. Ranging from cheap Chinese to the finest Germany, Austria and Switzerland have to offer.
To say I have become jaded is an understatement! Too the point that in my eyes, the Most Popular Scope in Air Gunning,and yes, here on the Tag, is in my eyes, Pure, Unadulterated Junk. They were fine at their price point, but they somehow, the Manufacturer and AOA got the impression that they were producing a fine optic, and almost doubled their price overnight. With “absolutely” NO Justification in quality what so ever.

Same thing happened with the Nikko Stirling Field Target scope. It was a decent scope, that would range3 for field target. At 600 bucks, it was high for what it was, but doable if you are serious about the sport. AOA got hold of it, and raised the price to a grand, and many complained. A new versions came out which was in many eyes, inferior to the older version. BUT—The price didn’t drop. So how does it compare to today’s offerings, well, it doesn’t. The Greed, along with lack luster quality killed it faster than ogg’s Sling for target shooting.

So onto just why I am writing this tidbit on First Focal Plane Scopes.

Having spent a good bit of time in Germany and Austria, and learning just why the FFP scopes were so popular in Europe, (Along with larger tubes and objectives, than “the then USA’s offerings) I was hooked. When I told my hunting friends of my findings in Europe, they thought I was nuts. When I talked to Leupold, they too thought I was Nuts! Of course, this was back in the very late 70’s and early 80’s. They actually laughed at such things as 50 or 56MM Objectives, First Focal Plane, even solid clicks for windage, and elevation, and 30MM or higher dia. tube, and now claim they are using thiem for better light gathering. Bull! all the larger tube is accomplishing is higher strength all things being equal, and room for more robust internal parts and more elevation and windage for long range shooting.(Hell, to this day,they don’t know why they are doing what they are doing, just copying because it is popular in the high end scopes).

Back in the day,when I talked to Lup’y they felt at the time a friction fit was all that anyone could ever need. Which is all but useless on a high recoil, precision rifle. I begged them to try some of the German Tec. At least Click Windage and elevation dials. But they were like talking to a brick wall.

Hilariously, they claimed in advertisements in sporting magazines to have invent the Duplex Reticle, (They Didn’t), the first coated optics, Nope!. It was Zeiss. First waterproof scope, Uh, NO, Zeiss again. Etched Ret. (Another German/Austrian invention). They claimed to have been the first in many areas in optics. Yet, I cannot find a single thing they were actually the first in, other the first to mislead the shooting fraternity, of just exactly what they were producing and selling.(While they claimed to be the BEST SCOPE IN THE WORLD) And just about any American hunter would think it sacrilege to say anything negative at all. Hell, they didn’t have a clue that they were not fully American made. And most still don’t! Grrrrr!!! Lupy’s were and still are too many, sent from the God’s in some parts of the US. And it is Heresy to mention any shortcomings of their scopes.

It was pretty much the same for decades here in the US, with All the American Scopes, In fact, there is only ONE Fully made American Scope, and that is U.S. Optics. Not Lupy, Nite Force, Weaver, Nada, Zip, Zilch. NONE! There is one or two specialty companies that will build a Custom Scope, but they are still NOT Fully American Made Scopes.

Fast forward a few decades, and a few War’s to push them into the modern ages and they now have “MOST” of the boxes ticked. They have just about all the things that they swore up and down, were not needed in a Scope. They actually grew up as a company.

How they became America’s Scope Premier Scope Company, I have No Idea. Other than brilliant advertising in all the Gun and Hunting Mag’s. Always telling us that they were the best of the best SIR! And they were, unless one opened one’s eyes as to what was going on in the World Around Them.

It was with this full distrust in claims being made by Optic Companies thru years of having such claims pushed on the Firearms Shooting Fraternity, That I began my search for a FFP scope that lived up to the Companies Hype. , I was looking for a Scope that had Crisp, Clear Optics with good light gathering, while at the same time, having excellent resolution to be able to discern exactly what it was hiding in the shadows, hiding behind the tree line, in fading light. or on a night time pig hunt, where you are after dark game, in low light with nothing but Moonlight for finding the game.
And Lit Ret. for night pig hunting, or the occasional varmint causing problems on the property at night.

These are tall orders, to be sure. But are readily available in fine Scope Brands, that are well proven over the years. They are also Very expensive. Being Medically retired, from my prime years of working, I have a very meager income. My wife is disabled as well, so between the two of us, we really have to watch the dollars.

This closed the door on Such Brands as Hensolt, (The Military Optics Division of Zeiss). Schmidt Bender, The new offerings from Stiner, or U.S. Optics. There was only one company left ,that I might be able to swing. A Vortex PST, which if studious in purchasing can be had for well under a Grand. A Good Looking Scope, and does a good job in every respect. So I started saving my pennies.! Grrrrrr!, This was going to take a while. And I don’t know how many “whiles” I have left. LOLl But I would have what I was lusting after all these years

This is when I received a phone call from one of my retired Army buddies, who was an Army Scout Sniper for years. He told me that he got the opportunity to try out a new, LOWER Cost FFP recently, and was impressed. Even more so when he learned the going price.

This was the new Athllon Argos BTR 6×24-50mm objective, with a very nice Ret. which is lit! in a 30mm tube, in a body of heat treated 6061 with a T-6 Heat Treatment, AirCraft Grade Alu. With a very good looking deep non shiny Anodising.

Well, being me, I started the research. I was having a hard time believing the claims of people using the scope. But what the heck. All of the reviews I could find were very good indeed so I did what comes naturally. I pulled the trigger on the 6×24 Argos model.

It is dead in the middle of their product line, and it retails for around 444. usd. I hunted around until I found a deal that would allow me to own this beauty, and as I said, I pulled the Trigger!!!;-0

I found one on Amazon, and they took almost two week to get it to me. It was shipped in a box from Amazon, with NO packing, paper, bubble wrap, foam, NADA. The box was large enough to put at least 4 of the boxes the scope came in. Hell, it rattled around in there like a BB in a Box Car! This after waiting for them to ship from 174 miles away, with an in stock item, for TWO Frick’n weeks! Man I was Ticked. Not only was I anxious to receive this bit of optical heaven, but the weather was fantastic for all of the waiting time. With it’s arrival, of the cuff of bad weather starting in one to two days. Grrrrrrr+1.

Well, I finally got Her mounted. (Always liked the sound of that, LOL!!!), started the trial. First adjustment for POI, and play with it for a while. I was really interested in Clarity, both at the cross hairs, as well to see how far that clarity extended to the edge of the field of view.
Well, surprise of surprises, it was crystal clear. Center, edge, and everywhere in between! That was ;certainly a very nice surprise! Especially at anything under 1500 use or sol. I was starting to get stoked, but still was awaiting final judgements. There were a few things I wanted to further investigate here. 😉

Ok, How are the adjustment on target. Well, pretty darned good my TAG Brothers! Nice Clicks, (Could have been a bit firmer, but well defined, and I could feel them just fine, without looking at them).
They were crisp and precise. The following day, I shot the box, and WOW!!! DEAD ON? When did a 400 usd scope do that? I was starting to get really impressed with this Athlon Argos Offereng.
Next thing I noticed is the Power Adjustments are stiff, but very repeatable. They work as they should, and this is a huge part of using a FFP scope as it is so easy to range.

Using the Mil-dot System is something you can only do in one power setting in a Second Plane Scope. Where this very repeatable power adjustments comes in, is something I in NO WAY expected or was looking for in a Scope from anywhere in this price range. And it was exactly that. It Ranges!
No, I’m not talking about the Mil-Dot System, I mean it Ranges much like a Field Target Scope. I was very curious when I looked at the side Adjustment when shooting at my 76 yard target. It said 76 yards! Simple blind luck I thought. So I decided to try it on something else, that was pre lasered.
First I tried the 36 yard short range varmint target, Whoa! Dead on. When you turn the dial high low, it snaps into a Crisp Picture that is not mistakable. Tried the 51 yard target, Yep. Dead on again. Tried a 139 yard lasered tree and tried again. 220 yards? Got my favorite Squirrel three in the cross hair, adjusted the Side Focus, looked at the numbers, darned if it wasn’t dead on. ! 220 exactly. Just as lasered.
I in NO way expected this. Not in a Scope that was not designed for Air Gunners!
My final trial was to see if it could be focused down to ten yards YES, Yes it can Folks, and at lower power dialed in, quite a bit closer!

It’s resolving power is very, very good. Color trueness if very good. Bright, vibrant colors are well, true,and well, just sorta vibrant. If yo have never looked thru high quality optics, you may not know just exactly what that special something in the colors can be. Once you see it, you will have a hard time settling for less. Zeiss Binos is what first spoiled me in this area, and The Argos doesn’t disappoint in this area one little bit!

Yeah, I know I’m gushing like a schoolgirl, on her first crush, but Never in my wildest imagination did I expect anywhere near the performance of this scope in a price range such as this.

Why in heck didn’t I buy one of these a long time ago? Brrrr! That’s right, they didn’t exist a long time ago. WOO-HOO!!! We have a real winner Guys! I think I’m gonna go out and shoot some more. I only managed to go thru 200 rounds yesterday. Such a shame.

I talked to one of the Fellows at Athlon, as I was really curious as to what was going on at their company. He was very informative, and really knew optics. Turns out the Company President, was the man behind the Bushnell Elites. A fine piece of gear to be sure. Their goal is to improve what has come before, at a very affordable price. Allowing you and I to enjoy fine Optics, at a price we can live with.
The Custom .257 Dyotat100 and this New Athlon Argos are a perfect match. I just love watching the bullets fly down range and flash thru the Bulls Eye. Talk about a Shooters Dream, that can be actually afforded on a working man’s means. (Even a retired one).
What more can we possibly ask for?

Color me impressed!
KnifeMaker

Knife

Optics/Nightvision

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quote Rrdstarr:

You guys are twisting my rubber arm to buy the Argos or the Midas!

Anybody have the Midas in 4.5 X 27 X 50?

Wound up buying. Burris XTR II 8 x 40!

Blew the budget till next year for a scope!

Thank you for your reply. I already went ahead and purchased a set of medium and high Burris rings…

and these adaptors that I’ve used before.

With the medium rings and my cheek weld the scope bell is almost touching. Higher would be a choice for more adjustment butt I like to have the scope as close as possible to the bore. My wish is that the mount would be closer butt I didn’t make the rifle.


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Gary
I had to use the high mount for my bell to clear the gun.
One bad ass scope
I have made shots with this on my little 25 shorty , That have me saying WOW, 1/2 scope 1/2 gun ?
Mike

Hello knife maker.
What mounting rings did you use to mount this scope ? I would like to purchase the correct ones the first time as the scope has already arrived.
Thank you
Gary

What mount did you use for this scope? Thanks for causing me to spend Mo Money….

Thanks Knife maker
Its been a while but just a big thanks for your write up on the scope, Its a beauty on the 25 Veteran short,
The more I shoot with the scope the more I like it, ,
Good guns have to have good scopes, Everybody knows that.
Mike

After reading this thread my interest was VERY high.
As luck would have it a guy at work had an Argos 6-24 newly mounted to his .223 AR build. After some first hand observations I can agree this is a seriously nice optic for the price point.. it’s a seriously nice scope period, so I was hooked. I unloaded my Primary Arms 4-14×44 R-Grid FFP to the same fella at work and set off to purchase my own Athlon.

Now at this point I want to say that my primary arms was an excellent scope with very good glass I would say very close to that of the Argos…
Now I’m not going to claim to be an expert of any kind but I have had my hands on and my eyes through a good share of $200-$800 scopes both 1st and 2nd focal..
The only issue that I had with my primary arms scope was forcing myself to fall in love with a Chevron and horseshoe … as much as I wanted to I just could not.

Anyway after reading up on the Argos in visiting the Athlon website I found myself enamored with the next model up.. the Helos.. these go about $570
With the added bonus of locking turrets and what I considered to be a more appealing rheostat location.
I decided to pull the trigger.

The man in the brown van drop the Box this afternoon and although I have been quite busy today I did manage to toss it on the gun and get some good looks around outside before sundown.

I am ecstatic.. this thing is an absolute Beauty!
The glass is amazingly clear I can say it is better than my primary arms for sure.. the weather was a bit nicer today then it was the day I was looking through the Argos so I cannot say definitively that the glasses any better than that of the Argos but looking around today at 24x for the first time I had zero disappointment and what I was seeing Through my lens.. I am judging this by a street sign that my Nikon Rangefinder tells me is 513 yards out..
I can see it with a level of clarity that I have not experienced thus far.. the most impressive part to me was the edge to edge view on full power.. it seemed to be far less I fussy than Scopes I’ve owned in the past.

This is by far the most excited I have been about a scope it doesn’t hurt having the warranty this thing does either lol.

Just want to say thanks Knife…
Your thread is what got me interested in the first place.
I think this is going to be a match made in heaven for the 25

You guys are twisting my rubber arm to buy the Argos or the Midas!

Anybody have the Midas in 4.5 X 27 X 50?

quote RONIN001:

Love my Athlon compared to my Hawke tactical hands down.

Had myself a couple of Airmax’s at one time and I do actually like my Argos much better.

quote kris:

is this Athlon of yours parallax free at short distances or is it also 100yarder.

can you check at what magnifications you get sharp image at 10 yards AND if the reticule is not floating around then.

I have Argos BTS 8×34 with that one it is parallax free and focusable down too 15 yards just not at full magnification.

Love my Athlon compared to my Hawke tactical hands down.

is this Athlon of yours parallax free at short distances or is it also 100yarder.

can you check at what magnifications you get sharp image at 10 yards AND if the reticule is not floating around then.

knifemaker
You sucked me in I ordered , Now to get my Mutant/ or Vulcan 25 to install it on,
I do thinks backwards I like to get all my gear in before I buy my gun,
Mike

On my Athlon Argos BTR 6-24 the clicks on the top turret are pretty tactile and can hear them. The windage not so much. When I remove the turret caps and turn the adjustment by hand it is VERY tactile AND loud. So there’s nothing wrong with the mechanism. The only thing that can change that when the caps are on are the two sealing o-rings on the adjustment mechanism. I guess that’s the price for keeping water out. It’s a pretty tight fit and push to get the turret caps back on. Maybe smaller cross-section o-rings would still be enough to seal it and lessen the friction of turning the turret.

I was asked about my Athlon scope so I may as well respond here as well…Glass is clear enough. I haven’t done a box test on it yet. I do love the busy reticle. I have an SWFA HD 5-20×50 with amazing glass and I still enjoy looking through the glass of the Athlon. The turrets have hardly any tactile or audible feedback, aka, mushy. They don’t line up on every mark, but neither does my $1200 SWFA, something about not having the correct amount of splines. Maybe SWFA had it corrected in Japan, I bought mine like 10 years ago.I had a Centerpoint cheapie 4-16×50 on my prod and didn’t care for it and put a true holographic sight on it instead. Looking through the Athlon with my Veteran .25…feels right. So I hope that when I do a box test, things come out well. LIfetime warranty that they honor, but lots of honoring has been done so that scares me some. I get a good amount of chromatic abberation at full zoom and probably alot lower. I’ve had the thing sitting in my closet for months until I finally got something to put her on. The sunshade was extra, but worth it. It’s offered by Midway under the Athlon brand but possibly others have the same thread pattern, not sure.I used better than average rings as I don’t like to lap rings. I used Warne. They are steel, but I like them alot. Harder to mount than horizontal rings, but no biggie. So the short answer, I like my Athlon alot thus far.

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