Gunpower Shadow aka: AirForce Talon SS … 12fpe Tank
I was at the AirForce website and found an Export link.
http://www.airforceairguns.com/AirForce-Airguns-Export-s/65.htm
I presume the Gunpower Net rifles are AirForce derived clones.
http://www.gunpower.org.uk/theshadow.html
Is the 12fpe cylinder produced in England or the U.S.?
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with a stock condor tank, bottle, and use a o ring behind the top hat to limit travel.
Why not just us a Micro Meter Tank.
Condor with Micro-Meter tank installed
http://www.airforceairguns.com/Articles.asp?ID=260
The average velocity of about 689 f.p.s. produces just over 15 foot-pounds in .22 caliber.
Yes, both the Talon and Condor can be adjusted to these same low velocities,
but the new Micro-Meter valve/tank gives superior consistency.
Talon SS with Micro Meter Tank
http://www.airforceairguns.com/Articles.asp?ID=260
Expect about 20 percent less energy in .177, which would mean that an 8-grain pellet
might travel an average of around 670 f.p.s.
The power adjustment wheel has very little effect until it is almost at the lowest setting,
and then the consistency opens up.
That’s approximately 8fpe – hot R7.
Anyway, I still inclined to believe that for my purposes a regulated 13ci HPA tank
may be the best way to go.
A hand pump combined with a smaller tank to fill … might be easier to live with.
At least for now.
Yes that looks great its all about what you want to do, but what i do is fill to lower psi with a stock condor tank, bottle, and use a o ring behind the top hat to limit travel. i can turn my condor 22 down to 400 fps if i want .
here is a light tune and shot string that i played with for a while.
Filled to 2000,Pw 3 , top hat at .050 with .071 oring behind top hat, 14 grain pellets ,, (left to right.)
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this is like 175 shots, with a .22 Condor,1300 psi left.
Any way , you can turn the gun up to the 800 fps range and get similar results less shots .
I could imagine a 177 set up like this you could get even more shots.
This configuration … smaller tank with regulator and CO2 adapter … for my purposes is making a lot of sense.
Talon SS with 13ci Tank and Regulator
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=65172#65172
not to take you off your quest but, you do know you can turn down the guns to what ever power you want don’t you.
Yes, I well aware of the variable power features of AirForce rifles.
This was the reason I was initially attracted to AirForce airguns.
Along with the feasibility of easily making the rifles less noisy – inexpensively.
And, a Lothar Walther barrel being a standard feature.
But, it is my understanding at low-power settings AirForce rifles can be inconsistent at reduced velocities.
A Micro Meter Tank?
In my case, a regulated Edge would be more useful.
My goal: R7 to HW50 power for backyard plinking/pest control … very quietly.
For my backyard purposes I need quiet accuracy … not high-power.
Moreover, for safety reasons I need to avoid over-penetration.
http://www.weihrauch-sport.de/englisch/e_produkte/e_standardluftgewehre/e_standardluftgewehre.htm
http://www.weihrauch-sport.de/englisch/e_produkte/e_weitschussluftgewehre/e_weitschussluftgewehre.htm
However, if what I want can be achieved with standard factory components … so much the better.
So, I think the use of UK specific 12fpe components would be a good starting point.
As such, anyone should be capable of replicating my efforts without resorting to an airgunsmith or tuner.
For me, a quieted Edge would serve as a near silent, super accurate HW25L to defend my bird feeders
against marauding sparrows and brown-headed cow birds.
While a Talon SS with a 12fpe kit would equal an HW50 to eradicate birds such as pigeons and rock dove.
Or, could be turned-down to R7 performance for the elimination of Eur-Asian collared dove and grackles.
aom22
not to take you off your quest but, you do know you can turn down the guns to what ever power you want don’t you.
Rob already mentioned the valve restriction, and oring.
i have ran my condor at 500 fps to 600 fps, with 14 grain pellets for a 175 shot string.
I have adjusted to 800 fps with 14 grian pellets for 20 foot pounds , for field target set up.
i have only had the condor in 22 , but i would imagine that you could do the same with the 177.
To say the least, this is incredible. 😮
I’m flabbergasted. 🙄
So, I’ve sent an email to Gunpower.
Is it possible for a U.S. citizen to purchase a 12fpe tank with valve and associated hammer with spring for a Talon SS?
I live in Fort Stockton, Texas, 79735 USA.
they are here in fort worth, and i cant buy from them either. i bought my condor from midway in Columbia, MO
i called and asked, they said they dont have a sales floor,all mail order. they are back ordered any way and i would have to pay taxes if i bought in Tx.
So it would be better off for me to buy out of state anyway.
Well, I just received a response from AirForce
Thank you,
Auto-Numatic Corp.
Retail Products Division
AirForce Airguns 1-877-247-4867
BKL Technologies 1-877-255-2001
P.O. Box 2478
Fort Worth, TX 76113
Fax: 817-451-1613
http://www.airforceairguns.com
http://www.bkltech.com
I was a bit incredulous of the email.
So, I just got off the phone with AirForce.
I was informed that rifles and parts produced to UK specifications are manufactured in the U.S.
But, I cannot purchase any UK unique items from AirForce in Texas.
I must contact GunPower and buy directly from England.
To say the least, this is incredible. 😮
I’m flabbergasted. 🙄
Email to AirForce
I noted that UK specific 12fpe models are available … “over 500 shots per fill at 12 ft/lbs in .22 using a BS certified cylinder.”
I presume the 12fpe is accomplished with a combination of tank valve, hammer and hammer spring.
Are these components are available to U.S. customers directly from AirForce?
Are U.K. specific air rifles available to U.S. customers directly from AirForce?
Rob how is that low psi reg working out, consistancy , fps, velocity ,shots, fill pressure ,,etc
what valve and tank set up. cal of rifle, i think i remember it was .177
You can always go with a restrictive valve stem retainer from Tony and put an O-ring behind the tophat.
Currently, I have a low ouput reg from Marmot Militia and I’m getting around 15fpe for hundreds of shots on mine.
The only suggestion I can give is to call AF and ask.
you could also get one sent from the UK from somewhere like Blackpool Air Rifles. Email them to find out availability etc.
One other thing, blodnob makes valves for high output rifles, he may sort you out a 12fpe model if you ask him nicely.
Bob
Are the 12fpe tank, hammer and spring available from AirForce?
For my backyard, 12fpe is plenty.
I’ve looked at the Micro Tank.
But, it produces is well below 12fpe.
I’d like approximately 750-800 fps with 7.9 grn pellets which is less than 12fpe – consistently.
My understanding is that Talon valves are often inconsistent at low-power settings.
It’s the British version and only differs in that the valve and mainspring are set low to produce under 12fpe. British rifles also have “anti tamper” parts so that it is now difficult to strip and work on them , any tinkering invalidates the warranty. It is not the law, but companies do it anyway.
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Hey Cool , get er dun an post about it, and lets see some strings and groups. 😉
There is more than one way to skin a cat. 🙂