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Pah, Jerry planted a ‘slug tree’ a couple years back. All he does now is go out in the morning and give it a little shake…. 😉 😆
I know! I was being lazy… 😆
I’d buy the air bullets for $4 each before i’d buy the factory 338 ammo. To get a matched batch is a service not many offer! 😯
Awesome stuff Jerry, thanks for the information, good to know what’s behind the beauty! 😀
And that’s not even an exotic round for PBs!
I’m always amused by these price discussions and the perpectives people use. Some folks thinks that because airguns don’t shoot 1000 yards and kill bad guys, everything associated with them is lower tech and cheap.
They just don’t get the fact that we appreciate airguns for a number of reasons that don’t have anything to do with what the ultimate shooting device might be. We all know damn well that you can buy a rimfire and kill squirrels or a centerfire and kill deer. We (airgun nuts as it were) have knowingly decided to do those things and more within the limits of air power. The edges of those limits will always be interesting and working at the edges of the envelope is always more expensive than in the middle.
Not too long ago I had a fellow email me and inform me of the number of Kodiaks he could buy for the price of a 100 .25 slugs from me. He seemed to be offended that I’d offer a totally different product for a different usage but somehow charge a price higher than rock bottom! I told him I hoped he had great results with the kodiaks and he had found a great bargain! What’s the point of argueing… he might learn he likes the hobby and come back as a customer!
On the other hand, I do get from rare time to time, emails from guys that have gone out and blown stuff up or bagged game with Timmy’s slugs and they are just tickled pink that they did this with an airgun and Timmy’s slugs. That’s always fun to read.
It has occured to me that Timmy will cast slugs for a fair price and if the customer wants he’ll match grade (meaning cast 150-200% of the order and weigh every slug so only those in a tight tolerance are actually shipped) and he’ll color the slugs (I actually help with the color) to a customer’s desire and even with all the options, the slugs come out cheap as dirt compared to a lot of other stuff on the market and virtually any quality PB round. And we still catch hell for it!
WOW!!! 😯 😯
They almost look fake. 😕 😆
What’s the problem with the price?
56 cents a round.
It’s one bullet and some air…
THIS is expensive…
Lapua Scenar 338 Lapua Mag 250 grain hollow point… Box of 10, $63.99… That’s $6.39 a round…
Jerry,
I have had the RCBS pot and a few of the Lee, one I reversed the base screwed it to the bench and used it to fill a screwed down Corbin core mold.
When I started casting the big slugs for the 45/100 and 45 2.1, I kept reading that the open pot on a camp stove was the way to go. I tried it and never used the Lee pots again. Just a ladle, a cast iron Propane stove and found it recovered much faster, but then I was making my electricity with solar panels at the time. I could run a Lee pot on my solar system tho.
I wonder how many shooters on this site have killed an elk with a solar cast bullet?
Folks, Jerry is right, these slugs cost a lot of money because you have to cast so damn many to have good keepers. Especially with the hollow point molds, keeping the pin and the mold the correct temperature is maddening! And you can ruin an expensive mold very easy if your not careful. I have not bought any lead now for nearly 5 years, but I am sure it is not any cheaper, and it is not like you can go to a tire store for lead on these pellets.
I have a new super gee whiz valve coming and when I get it , I will buy some of those heavy slugs from Vogal and not blink an eye, if I had a 25 and I will at some point, I will be glad to pay Jerry’s prices. I have been there at that casting pot, too many years to think otherwise.
Roachcreek
When you see prices that high, it means the seller is at least the middle man, if not the 3d one up from the manufacturer or person actually making the ammo. That price is just rediculous IMO.
I don’t know if I would call the price ridiculous but it is high. I’m also certaing that Bob makes the slugs himself. I expect that he intends to actually profit from the sale of slugs and that’s the rub right there. Airgun shooters generally want nice cheap ammo that also works like fancy custom fit stuff.
I don’t know how many emails I’ve recieved from folks that think we have a factory in the back that spits out slugs for a fraction of a penny each (of course all those emails may have come from our favorite troll). There seems to be a trend that folks just think making things is cheap and easy and slugs/pellets always seem to be compared to the cheapest pellet ever seen.
What most of these people don’t think about before pointing out how expensive homemade slugs are is that little bity shops still have capital expenses and consumables are bought without any volume discount. The slugs I hawk here are made by my son and he gets paid for his work. I don’t get a nickel out of the deal and neither would he if I did not subsidize his efforts. I’ve had to buy 3 lead pots so far, 2 of the cheap Lee pots that wore out and finally a very expensive RCBS pot that remains in use. I also buy the molds and other required stuff so he can work. If he would have had to pay the set-up costs and recurring bills for gear, he still would not have made a dime…
Vogel is in a different boat. If he doesn’t make some money from the slugs, he’s subsidizing the customers not a family member learning a lesson and saving for a bad ass car! Not only that but hollow point molds are expensive, there is obviously a lot of custom work done on the molds he’s using and the guys that do the HP conversions generally don’t even touch the cheaper molds. Add to that, HP slugs take more time to cast as a pin needs to be removed after every pour and every slug is easier to screw up and go back into the pot due to the more complicated shape. I’ve got some HP molds and getting fine work out takes time.
So, before just jumping to the conclusion that $56 per 100 is ridiculous, one might want to compare the product to some other more familiar item. For instance, take your car to any shop and see what the hourly rate is. It will be a lot (more than $56) and you haven’t even paid for the parts and materials! That’s because the shop has high labor and overhead costs. Casters have overhead and material costs and deserve a decent labor rate too.
Yeah I would not have a problem paying $15-20 for 100 of those HP 43gr. But he is selling them for $56 per 100ct.
When you see prices that high, it means the seller is at least the middle man, if not the 3d one up from the manufacturer or person actually making the ammo. That price is just rediculous IMO.
I would pay 15 bucks for the 22 caliber at 43 gr if they were 100 pellets per box.
I have to wonder if Robert makes any money or just makes those slugs for the love of the game? Nonetheless, Timmy likes it when someone mentions that the 88gr .25s are expensive at $15 per 100!
Nice to have this option but I think they are too expensive.
Maybe they will lower the price and then I will change my Eunjin’s.
My opinion is that they will not worth the price per pellet.
Congratulation for making these new pellets!
50ct 43gr pellets for $28!!
These are by far the most expensive .22’s I have ever seen. Just think, every 3 pellets you shoot, you are down almost $2.
They are true hollow points though, no doubt about that. But a good shot to the head by any decent non-hollow point pellet does the job just the same 😀
Maybe you should ask Robert Vogel up on Yellow. I did’nt even know he made the smaller bullets.
Nope but they sure are expensive!
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when i bought my 909s from the previous owner he included a .45cal sampler pack of rounds to try out and in it were 8 of the .452 173grn hollow point rounds…given the loose fit they are awsome..i used them to dispatch a couple of “cat sized” varmints and they do one hell of a job..once my sizing die get here (hopfully it will be here tomorrow) im gonna get some in .458 and size them down to .454 and test them out…do i think his slugs are worth the money ?? for my .45 definatly for my .22 i dont know yet…