Hey everyone-new member with a question about the….FUTURE!
So i have been “lurking” :confusedn: these forums for a while now and doing a lot of reading about the various bullpups, hatred of FX and the yellow forums, and my favorite airgun the Edgun :0
I waited until I was 100% surei was going to be the proud owner of one of these babies before I joined the community and said hello..just decided put a deposit down on the beautiful .22 R3M standard….was a hard choice deciding over a Cricket.. Right now I have a very nicely tuned .22 Marauder w custom bullpup kit and love it…but the Edgun was the first airgun i saw and learned about and actually got me into PCPS. To be honest I was somewhat leaning towards the Cricket at first but that was before the R3M was out and although I enjoyed single shot, I figured I’d get a cricket for now and wait until the multishot Edgun came out…did more research and reading around here and realized it was already on the way! I had no clue 😛 So once I heard that I was basically sold on the new Ed. Before I was just trying to justify spending $2000~ on an Air Rifle but after spending almost half that on my M-Rod I figure it’l be WELL worth it! 🙂
So…my question for now is (as I patiently collect the rest of the funds for my new baby :4:) is what’s the plan/news on the BLACK versions of the R3M? I’ve seen videos of Ed shooting an R3M in black and also have seen/read various other places that the new R3 lineup will be offered in a black/more synthetic stock like the 2.5 was…I do like the wood color but I’ve always been partial to the looks of the 2.5…I was told that the black Edguns have been “phased out” and will most likely never return. Not sure if that was in reference to the 2.5 model or to any future plans of having the R3s coming in a different option (like the black wood color on the Edgun website?) Anyways it’s not a big concern or dealchanger for me…if I was going to get a Cricket i would have gotten the WST stock…not a fan of “plastic synthetic” stocks and I think the cricket looks better in wood. But I would like to see an option for the R3s to come in the black wood as was mentioned previously…
Do you guys know what happened to that idea? Was I given wrong/bad intel and it’s actually still on the way in the near future? Or did I miss a brief period where they DID offer black R3s but then change their mind?!
Help a poor Edgun noob know what the future holds!! :3: I was considering having work done to the stock later if I got tired of the wood (highly doubt that though, still looks lovely ) and having someone else do a nice black finish (I don’t have the proper “tools” or skill to do it myself :oops:) So will that be my only option as of now?
Thanks for any info provided and can’t wait to join the family!! Finally a forum that isn’t moderated and biased on different gun companies and where people actually have experience and speak their mind freely! Unless I ask if I should get a bobcat, then I’m doomed 🙂 I will be sure to post pics once my new toy arrives!
Also…is there any word yet on when the Collibri is hitting US soil? One of the main reasons I didn’t go for a Cricket is i’d much rather have an Edgun and wait for the collibri to come out 😉
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Says who ???? 🙄
For once I must admit I disagree with my noble neighbour from Finland/Sweden whatever. He is referring above to the unknown model .22 EdGun STD, – which in my book could be anything from a “Veles” to a “Morana” – or may be even a “Lelya”. I am led to believe he is talking about the “Matador” R3 std in .22 though and not the “Matador” 2.5.
I may of course be mistaken (not the first time…. :oops:).
I have run numerous tests of the two guns in question (Cricket .22 std and Matador R3 std in .22) with both guns adjusted to the same speed shooting the same pellets. I must admit I have only shot with two guns of each model. Hardly a represenative or significant sample of the total population, – but still better than nothing. Also the tests were done at some 870 fps with JSB 18s.
Sound is difficult to evaluate. Basically we talk about the muzzle blast, the “ping” from the reservoir and the “hammerslap” as the hammer hits the valvestem.
I have NOT bee able to separate the two guns in any practical way soundwise. The “hammerslap” is more noticeable on the R3, – but that’s to your own ear as you hold your cheek against the action. From a distance, very difficult to notice at all. “Ping” is not noticable in any of the models and muzzleblast is about the same. Given the fact that Cricket has a much bigger moderator than the R3, I find that quite interesting. It appears size may not always matter. Design does however…….
Cheers
Trygve :biggrinn:
Yep – i´m referring to the R3 STD – which i´ve now owned two of. I´m also referring to Dr. Evil´s guns (he owns an R3 STD and a Cricket STD) and all these R3´s are/were louder than his Cricket. No question. No distance nor fancy Db meters needed to be able to hear the difference – the EG has a louder report. My .25 with the STD length CF shroud ( a bit quieter than the OEM shroud) is as quiet/loud as my R3´s.
The two guns have a different kind of sound though , as you said the EG hammer slap/metallic “ping” is far louder than on its Cricket counterpart. Thus i refer to “nasty” in the first post. It sounds more powerful, kind off ,although shot at the same speed.
The cricket having a longer shroud ? Well – not really since the shroud also includes the muffler which in an EdGun is a separate part but should be counted to the shroud OAL. I´ll have to measure the length of the baffle stack in my .25 to be sure but i would say it´s pretty close to the length of the stack on a .25 EG – so there´s nothing overly mystical about a “longer shroud” making ” about the same level of noise”. Or am i missing something ??
My shroud & muffler aren´t made by NC but i´m sure he can make one for your EdGun – in whatever length you want. He has made several shrouds for EG´s already so he knows the drill. Mine are “made in the old continent” ..
I think alike thus i wanted a bit shorter shroud , threaded at the muzzle-end , on which i can add a muffler to if i need silence.
P.S If you get a BobCat – keep it quiet . You´ll be dibbed in Tar and rolled in Starling feather and thrown outta here to a dark,cold and hostile place , called “The Yellow Forum” ! :angrymob:
Haha although Ted did seem very convincing in his reviews about the Bobcat…the thing that made me rule it out (aside from other obvious problems + complaints i’ve read) is that it’s heavier than Cricket or Edgun and DOESN’T EVEN COME WITH A REGULATOR?! So I wouldn’t even consider spending money on one, plus I’d rather not deal with AoA 🙂 I’ve also read posts where you say in Sweden that FX aren’t even considered as high quality guns as they are marketed as here, I believe that. I’m sure it’s a good gun and all, but for the price they’re going at I’d want mine to be PERFECT. And perfect to me is the best long range accuracy and air consumption which leads to no other choice than an Edgun :5:
Yep. He can be as convincing he ever wants but he won´t fool me :9: . It´s a shame he had to bend over for the almighty Coin since from that day on his opinion, reviews and ratings mean nothing – not to me anyway.
FX is a workmanlike rifle , no question. The way it´s hyped over there makes us over here laugh. A top-end PCP it´s not !
Says who ???? 🙄
For once I must admit I disagree with my noble neighbour from Finland/Sweden whatever. He is referring above to the unknown model .22 EdGun STD, – which in my book could be anything from a “Veles” to a “Morana” – or may be even a “Lelya”. I am led to believe he is talking about the “Matador” R3 std in .22 though and not the “Matador” 2.5.
I may of course be mistaken (not the first time…. :oops:).
I have run numerous tests of the two guns in question (Cricket .22 std and Matador R3 std in .22) with both guns adjusted to the same speed shooting the same pellets. I must admit I have only shot with two guns of each model. Hardly a represenative or significant sample of the total population, – but still better than nothing. Also the tests were done at some 870 fps with JSB 18s.
Sound is difficult to evaluate. Basically we talk about the muzzle blast, the “ping” from the reservoir and the “hammerslap” as the hammer hits the valvestem.
I have NOT bee able to separate the two guns in any practical way soundwise. The “hammerslap” is more noticeable on the R3, – but that’s to your own ear as you hold your cheek against the action. From a distance, very difficult to notice at all. “Ping” is not noticable in any of the models and muzzleblast is about the same. Given the fact that Cricket has a much bigger moderator than the R3, I find that quite interesting. It appears size may not always matter. Design does however…….
Cheers
Trygve :biggrinn:
My shroud & muffler aren´t made by NC but i´m sure he can make one for your EdGun – in whatever length you want. He has made several shrouds for EG´s already so he knows the drill. Mine are “made in the old continent” ..
I think alike thus i wanted a bit shorter shroud , threaded at the muzzle-end , on which i can add a muffler to if i need silence.
P.S If you get a BobCat – keep it quiet . You´ll be dibbed in Tar and rolled in Starling feather and thrown outta here to a dark,cold and hostile place , called “The Yellow Forum” ! :angrymob:
Haha although Ted did seem very convincing in his reviews about the Bobcat…the thing that made me rule it out (aside from other obvious problems + complaints i’ve read) is that it’s heavier than Cricket or Edgun and DOESN’T EVEN COME WITH A REGULATOR?! So I wouldn’t even consider spending money on one, plus I’d rather not deal with AoA 🙂 I’ve also read posts where you say in Sweden that FX aren’t even considered as high quality guns as they are marketed as here, I believe that. I’m sure it’s a good gun and all, but for the price they’re going at I’d want mine to be PERFECT. And perfect to me is the best long range accuracy and air consumption which leads to no other choice than an Edgun :5:
I can´t say how these compare to a Marauder. We hardly have those in Sweden , believe it or not. So i have never shot one nor have i heard one being shot . 😳
My shroud & muffler aren´t made by NC but i´m sure he can make one for your EdGun – in whatever length you want. He has made several shrouds for EG´s already so he knows the drill. Mine are “made in the old continent” ..
I think alike thus i wanted a bit shorter shroud , threaded at the muzzle-end , on which i can add a muffler to if i need silence.
P.S If you get a BobCat – keep it quiet . You´ll be dibbed in Tar and rolled in Starling feather and thrown outta here to a dark,cold and hostile place , called “The Yellow Forum” ! :angrymob:
yeah that defeintly makes sense. so if my M-Rod bullpup is 110% backyard friendly for my yard…how would the Edgun compare? Theres only 2 houses that can “see” me from the angles we’re at…but i’ve shot way louder guns and people inside MY house couldn’t even hear. I know Edguns (in .22) aren’t extremely loud, but I also know they aren’t like a marauder…but if I were to rate a M-Rod as a “1” for backyard friendly being super quiet. What would you say a Cricket and Edgun in .22 are?
Like I mentioned above, neither of this will affect my purchase choice, just curious as what to expect. Can’t wait till the end of the month for it to arrive 😀 Also does Neil make a similar shroud/LDC combo like you had on your Cricket (saw the thread, looks real nice) for the Edgun if needed? I’m sure I could work something out with him, but for me the noise is ONLY for my backyard bench shooting so having it be a bit longer isn’t an issue. Then when I take it in the woods and need that more compact feel, it’s no problem with the sound.
Thanks for all the fast replies guys, if I asked this on the yellow I’d probably just get responses like “LOL JUST GET A BOBCAT BRO” 😛
The .22 Cricket STD is quieter than the .22 EdGun STD. No question about that. My .25 WST is quieter than neither of my .22 EG´s ever were although that could also be due the lower pitch the .25 has in its muzzle report. EdGun sounds “nastier”, like a metallic whiplash of a kind, if you know what i mean.
Thanks for all the welcomes guys! 🙂
Hey…very good info in there. Thanks. So I guess what I heard was right then, no more Black stocks coming to US 🙁
Another question, a bit more random, and isn’t going to change my choice on which to purchase but people who have owned both the .22 cricket and Edgun can compare the sound levels? I’ve heard different things and also that they are basically the same. Mostly just curious, already putting my deposit down on the Edgun and not going to change my mind, like I said I’d rather have a Colibri anyways, which I hear are supposed to be here in April or May?
Also are the “new style” regulators getting less shots but at a better FPS spread than the “old style” regs? Talking about R3M standard if that matters…seen others shot strings were much longer a few years ago compared to the ones being post now.
Welcome to the forum! To answer your question…the black stocks you so badly desire were said to be made in Russia and unable to be exported out….only what’s made in Estonia is what’s available to US market. But like :hoot: says you’re only a can away of having your black stock. He wrote up a nice “how to” on this thread-http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28568&p=284676#p284676
Not a BP owner, but I can tell you right off that you came to the right place! 😉
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Welcome brother airgunner !! 😀
Welcome! You´re damn right – this is the best BP Forum on the WWW. Stay clear from Uncle Hoot: and you´ll be allright.
Btw if any of you are near Connecticut, let me know! Always looking for fellow airgunners to shoot with! :1:
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Says who ???? 🙄
For once I must admit I disagree with my noble neighbour from Finland/Sweden whatever. He is referring above to the unknown model .22 EdGun STD, – which in my book could be anything from a “Veles” to a “Morana” – or may be even a “Lelya”. I am led to believe he is talking about the “Matador” R3 std in .22 though and not the “Matador” 2.5.
I may of course be mistaken (not the first time…. :oops:).
I have run numerous tests of the two guns in question (Cricket .22 std and Matador R3 std in .22) with both guns adjusted to the same speed shooting the same pellets. I must admit I have only shot with two guns of each model. Hardly a represenative or significant sample of the total population, – but still better than nothing. Also the tests were done at some 870 fps with JSB 18s.
Sound is difficult to evaluate. Basically we talk about the muzzle blast, the “ping” from the reservoir and the “hammerslap” as the hammer hits the valvestem.
I have NOT bee able to separate the two guns in any practical way soundwise. The “hammerslap” is more noticeable on the R3, – but that’s to your own ear as you hold your cheek against the action. From a distance, very difficult to notice at all. “Ping” is not noticable in any of the models and muzzleblast is about the same. Given the fact that Cricket has a much bigger moderator than the R3, I find that quite interesting. It appears size may not always matter. Design does however…….
Cheers
Trygve :biggrinn:
Hey man, yeah I meant the .22 Matador R3M Standard. I read your ENTIRE comparison thread last night and it just justified my choice of wanting an Edgun more. Awesome job there and amazing pictures, definitely one of the most informative Airgun posts I’ve ever read on ANY forum. Learned more from there than I did on the entire yellow 😛 The ONLY piece of information that I was still wondering about was the exact sound. Since you mentioned they were similar and that from a distance (to other people) weren’t hardly noticeable, like my M-Rod Bullpup. It sounds “loud” when my face is resting on the action, but I know for sure there’s hardly any sound to be heard from farther away (minus a pellet smacking a tree, squirrel, etc)
So yeah I came to the conclusion that even though a couple people said the Cricket was lighter and quieter. That did not matter to me, I did however want to get the least heavy Bullpup out there, but to sacrifice all the other perks of an Edgun just for that? No way. Plus the Cricket will always be there if I want one too, or even the Colibri in a few months.
But I loved your shotstring comparisons, even though you were having trouble with the Edgun’s regulator, I hope the new ones that are being put out now are even better. I am not as much of a perfectionist when it comes to extreme spread and standard deviation. As long as they aren’t jumping more than ~20fps each shot I really don’t mind as I am more of a hunter than striving to get the best groups as possible…
I just wanted to thank you, and everyone else on the forum, for all the excellent information. Have learned more from reading this forum in a few days that I learned reading ANYWHERE else since I started with Airguns 🙂
P.S. I only offer my thanks in the form of WORDS!! no scary PMs please 😮 :2: