how accurate can one caliber be?
ive been reading a lot between different cal size. plenty of read about flatter trajectory in smaller cal compared to bigger one. but is that really the case? how about same balictic, same speed, different cal. would it gives different trajectory? i know we discussed it before in some previous thread since chairgun would give same graph but is that really the case?
surely many would say .177 would be the most accurate gun. can .22 .25 or even bigger can be just accurate? most airgunners are cost-concious bunch. .177 pellet would be the cheapest to produce and since demand is high, they produce target quality pellet only in this cal. but say if manufacturer decided to produce superior quality .25 pellet (sorted etc), could it be just accurate?
somehow this kinda question pinning my head every now n then esp after talking to ppl with super ego self opiniated testomaniac who always think their cal always the best ie my best bud
the reason i post it under condor simply because we can easily adjust the power to match in any caliber. God bless afc 8-). anyone has experience pushing accuracy between the cal? cheers
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So, if your Cricket 25 cal regulated can do one hole at that distance and your Condor 25 cal unregulated can’t.
It’s not the caliber difference, but something else is causing the inaccuracy in your Condor 25 cal, a regulator maybe ?
If you still think 177 is more accurate then a larger cal at distances greater then 75m windy or not.
From 177 to 22 cal it’s harder to say it could go both ways, but from 177 to 25 cal (your case) as well as 22 to a 30 cal there should be a more noticeable difference at 75m.
I would try and search out the internet and read up on it, there maybe something else that is wrong.
Good luck ~ ATB ~ GKU
Ive tried from 800-1100. My good group usually only goes up to 4 5 shots before another flyer. My top hat stays in place, silicon greased every moving parts, cleaned my barrel, tried different pw at different pressure in tank. My somewhat so called good group only measured at half to an inch at 40m. My cricket can do like one hole til my eyes get sore at that distance. Fps seems pretty flat even when shooting those flyer. Thats what gets me scratching my head 😕
What speed are you pushing JSB Kings at ?
~ GKU
thanks guys. maybe just the pellet batch for me then.
i understand in the longer distance the heavier/bigger cal will retain its power and also less effected by wind etc. yes i have pushed it beyond 50 70 80 100 up to 150m indoor inside my greenhouse. my ctc for my .25s always bigger than my .177. mind you anything bigger than .177 considered illegal in my country :biggrinn: so we only have very limited pellet choice, king, cuda, ej domed and pointed. thats all. so its either .177 airgun here or firearms. i personally do not like powder burner due to the noise.
ah so there is bench rest competition for bigger cal too. ive been competing in 25m up to 50m bench rest for 4 years now, and we do not have anything bigger than .177. if thats the case then i will start putting so much more effort on my .25s. cheers guys
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Yes, I would start to wonder why in the world the 2014 Extreme Bench Rest are all won out by the use of a 30 cal ?
go figure ? :butkick:
~ GKU
I’m calling BS on the fact that a .177 is more accurate at 50m compared to a .25. At 100 yards my condor will smack tennis balls every time. I doubt my .22 barrel would be capable of that, much less a .177. That’s just my take.
I dont believe one caliber is more inherently accurate than the other. The only difference between them will be the size of the outside of the group but you measure the center of the group normally. A .177 with a center to center group that measures .500 will look smaller than a group from a .25 that measures .500 center to center due to the larger diameter of the pellet. But the two groups are still .500 measured center to center therefore being equal in accuracy.
Now onto trajectory. you mention the .177 having a flatter trajectory than lets say a .25. This not true in a pcp because todays pcp can push the .25 as fast as a .177 or at least as fast as anyone would want for accuracy. If you shoot a .177 10 gr. pellet at 900 fps and compare it to a .25 with a 31 gr. pellet at 900 fps you will see that the .25 actually shoots flatter and gains more ground over the .177 the farther you get.
Try the same comparisons on a breezy day.
50m ? … .. . . did you try pushing it to 100m or more ?
That might answer your question.
~ GKU
what im asking was, could .25 be as accurate as .177 or .22? why so far that i know of, target competition on bigger cal. my .177 condor easily beat the grouping of my .25 at 25-50m. and the same for my .177 and .25 cricket. could it be pellet factor? ta
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kinoko : All calibers are accurate to a certain point. I really don’t get your question. Are you asking which caliber is more accurate than all the the others?
Are you refering to distance accuracy? The caliber that you choose depends on two main factors , (1) being what are you going to be shooting at a still target
such as paper or (2) are you shooting at a live target that you intend to kill. Both reguire a certain caliber and power to obtain your goal. The longer the
distance and the bigger the critter requires the larger caliber and power. Hope this will help , if not maybe someone can explain it better than me.
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i dont think it would outbeat the larger cal at longer distance due to external disturbance such wind to the smaller cal. the reason i ask this because i mostly hunt at 20 40m shot. here we hardly have an open area where we have to shoot at 80 100m. so i wanna make sure its laser accurate if possible. i understand with regulated gun, but this is not my first unregulated gun. i have 7 8 others that does better grouping even a hatsan bt65 that does one big hole (less than 1cm ctc 20shots group) doing 1080fps-960ish with jsb 16.2gr. its in .177 and the fps spread is worse than afc. so im guessing its something within the gun it self. its been constantly giving me flyer after 3 4 shots. thats with all kind of pellets too. anyway thanks for the help. ill try to fiddle a bit more see if i could eliminate the flyer. cheers guys
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