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How EDguns are made?

Pippo asked me in the neighboring topic.

I thought to make a nice video about it, but still have no time to do it. So, just a scetch of such a topic I can share some pictures and tell short story.

First EDgun I made at the local pulp and paper plant, in one of its workshops. Then I bought that workshop and equipment installed there when P&P plant didn’t need it anymore. I went on making guns at that equipment and when we reached about 15-20 guns a months (we made stock ourselves as well), I got a proposal to make stocks from Alexander Rubin (owner of ArtDecArt company, which makes stocks for EDguns and other brands in Russia now). I considered that as quite in time proposal, since we reached out limit in machinery and stock took us too much time.

So, stocks were made by Alexander since that time (then we stopped working for a while, then started again and work for, at least 10 years now, as far as I remember).

So, removing the stocks from the production we could get the following number of guns per month — about 30. Then we reached the capacity of the equipment. And I thought that CNC macnine will help me. I didn’t have any experience with that, so I began to look for someone who could make me details.

First I applied was Demyan (the founder of Ataman company). He made me some details which I didn’t accept by the quality. Besides he took the wrong material, not the one I’ve ordered and the detailed were very soft.

Just an example of what he did for me:

I said “No, thank you!” and keep looking for the CNC machines. At one of forums, where the CNC specialist were gathering I found a young man, who said that he can make the detailes I need. He was in Moscow, I was in Karelia and that is 1’350 km. We communicate by e-mail and agreed on making some details for some money. While in Moscow I appointed a meeting for him, near the factory he was working at. I arrived, met him, gave him money, said that I am waiting the detailes, sat back in the car and went away. As he told after that he was shocked, since that was our first meeting in real like, I gave him quite a good amounto of money, having not knowing him at all. He appretiate such a trust and we start working. He and his partner were working at that plant as employees.

So, they began to make me detailes at CNC machine of their employer, after the main time they worked for him, they worked for me. We started to make about 40-50 guns a months. But demand was so big that I pushed them for more detailes and they decided to leave the factory they work and establish their own enterprice. They did it (being quite afraid of such a risky step out but my charisma was stronger their fear 🙂 ) They started with two CNC machines they took in leasing. So, step by step they bought new machines and we made 100 guns a month, then 150, then 200 and now more then 300.

They work only for me, so I can consider them as my production department. But I don’t want to rule the production department, I jsut issue the tasks, we make plans and work according to the plans. I have no share in their enterprise and I don’t need. That is out mutual decistion, they don’t come to the design and the policy of EDgun company, I don’t go to the routine of the production. But, if there is a need to buy a new CNC machine we decide to do it or not together. Or I forse them to take new machine if I see we have no free resourses to make more guns.

Plus we have another partner in EU, who gives us parts for assembling guns in Estonia and some parts for assembling guns in Russia. So, no China or some manufacturing I don’t control, if that was the point of Pippo’s question 🙂

I bought only barrels, stocks and gauges from outside, all the rest of the details are made by my partners who I control by the quality.

Here are few pictures from the plant (that was one year ago, now there are three more CNC machines).

And that is a note I found in the cafe nearby

It is said: “Dear guests! We don’t have in this bar: dgugs, pattyes, charging for NOKIA phone. We have no idea where to catch the whore and have no idea how much it can be. !!! We have no phone number of that nice girl, and we cannot come and ask her for it!!! Thank you for understanding!”

So, in short I am the generator of ideas, marketing, designer, etc, etc. etc. Once I tried to find investor I got quite serious men, who carefully investigat everything and say me the following “Ed, your business is very interesting, we consider it as quite successful and promissing, but there is only one problem in your bussiness — that is you. If you are out of it — it will not run.” I think they are right 🙂

So, that is in short and I have great plans to develope the business. It is still hobby for me, hobby which gives me some money but money is not the key aim of the businees. It is just fun to make the guns, communicate with people and grow 🙂

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Um, beer is good!!

For fuck’s sake people…I don’t care if my R3M was made in a Cambodian sweat shop. It is every bit as good as my Cricket that I traded for it.

You mean they are not put together by UMPALUMPAS

Ed i sent you a msg, can you confirm you got it? thank you.

Question for Ed.

How will the introduction of new SKUs (make/models) impact your production line? Are you going to retire certain models to focus on only new products? For example R3M vs R4/R4M? Once you “start” producing a new product line, how long until old products stop being produced (6 months, 1 year)? Also, do you have parts to support your legacy products down the road or will customers need to get these parts custom machined locally?

Intresting read !!! Thanx for sharing :fishinghole:

quote the sloth:

Ed, thank you for sharing your pictures and a bit of history. Factory tours are cool and it’s neat to see how things are made

Plus they take care of their employees. Ed, don’t let your workers see Chris King’s gourmet kitchen or they may want you to cook steaks for lunch :rofl:

…and give them that nice girls number 😉 😉

Appreciate the tour Ed, good to see how the magic happens :thumb:

The Cad

Ed, thank you for sharing your pictures and a bit of history. Factory tours are cool and it’s neat to see how things are made.

Chris King factory tour is one of my favorites and is similar to your story. http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Chris-Kings-vision-Products-2012.html High-end bicycle parts manufacturer, based in USA. All materials sourced domestically and all production done in-house except for anodizing process, which is outsourced locally. Beyond exceptional precision manufacturing and quality control. Expensive to produce and in turn expensive to purchase, but the end product is worth every penny. “Buy it for life” type product.

Plus they take care of their employees. Ed, don’t let your workers see Chris King’s gourmet kitchen or they may want you to cook steaks for lunch :rofl:

Pip I used to communicate with SniperQty until I realized he has a huge stake in selling Vulcans, so as you said I will have to find out the hard way.

quote Hemn:

Ed is a real good man … very friendly and straightforward guy…

Brother Hemn,

don’t worry noboby is doubting about Ed being a good man :8: and it is very nice to see he has many friends supporting him (Only Caesar was used to say “Many enemies, much honor”).

Probably Ed will send you the Lelya when he will order the next batch because the “damn high demanded gun” is not even in production.

What I consider though is that the gun we were thinking having the most “proprietary craftmanship inside” is probably the one having the least of it. It is actually a damn “mass produced” product not even made in Edgun facilities.

Is this a problem? Not at all but I’m no longer paying the extra premium for the “handmade” or justify things just because the business supposedly being a “one man business”. Most of the time probably “the One Man” doesn’t even see the guns.

quote Pippo:

quote Hemn:

what Ed always told me was (Hemn, you just let me know what gun and calibre do you want. ..money is not a matter. .you can send me later. ..)

Brother Hemn,

so basically you never told Ed you want a Lelya because he never shipped you one.

My Brother. …

In fact at the exact time i always placed my orders… Lelya were not available. ..as you know the damn Lelya is a high demand gun…

but one time i placed an order Ed sent me all guns i ordered to Estonia. ..when the shipment arrived Estonia all my friends cancelled their orders. ..i told Ed this…Ed told me it os ok … no problem and if you want i will keep them for you and will not sell them… he did.. and i think after a month or more i told Ed to ship the guns … he kept them for me while im sure he could sell them easily. …

Ed is a real good man … very friendly and straightforward guy…

quote Pippo:

Keyser,

I wouldn’t be worried too much because probably also Ataman like everybody else in this business has made progress in CNC.

Probably Ataman would say the same about Edgun if Edgun would do any kind of production.

Another person like you that “has them all” is SniperQty and if I recall in his classification the Ataman was not too bad.

But you will tell us “first hand”.

:2cents:

Update: Actually I stand corrected, the Ataman was at the bottom of his list and the Vulcan was at the top of the list.

quote Hemn:

what Ed always told me was (Hemn, you just let me know what gun and calibre do you want. ..money is not a matter. .you can send me later. ..)

Brother Hemn,

so basically you never told Ed you want a Lelya because he never shipped you one.

Good to know all these clues about the Edgun and your prods Ed…

As Brian said i also not surprised. .because i see the quality of the parts and all…

As for the trust that Ed mentioned. …he is right. .. i testifying for that….

after my first gun ordered Ed became to know me and every time i ordered any guns he sent the guns and i paid to Ed after more than a month or sometime i received the guns still haven’t made the payment and he never ever sent me any emails tell me Hemn send me the money or when are you going to send the money. ..

what Ed always told me was (Hemn, you just let me know what gun and calibre do you want. ..money is not a matter. .you can send me later. ..)

This trust means a lot for me…. if you say so what Hemn ..you ordered only one gun or two. ..and i can tell you that i ordered 9 matadors in one shipment and Ed never asked for the money. …

And i never lose my trust with Ed… or anyone else. …

Keyser,

I wouldn’t be worried too much because probably also Ataman like everybody else in this business has made progress in CNC.

Probably Ataman would say the same about Edgun if Edgun would do any kind of production.

Another person like you that “has them all” is SniperQty and if I recall in his classification the Ataman was not too bad.

But you will tell us “first hand”.

:2cents:

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