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How To Determine Regulator/HST Setting via Velocity Testing

Here is how I figured out where the fps were for my chosen pellet at the stock regulator setting on my EdGun…

I loosened the spring at least one full turn from where the fps were that I wanted (it may take more depending on how the reg is set) and began shooting ten shot strings.

At first I turned the HST screw in 1/2 a turn but decided that 1/4 turn would be a better indicator. As I shot I recorded each HST adjustment and each pellet velocity.

If you turn in the HST and your velocity doesn’t rise, turn the HST out one full turn or more and start again. At the end I show how to analyze the strings to determine the regulator setting based on the HST tension.

String #1
848.8
859.4
848.5
860.1 (max)
849.9
852.2
846.1
847.8
855.3
843.1 (min)

Max spread 17fps, avg velocity 851.6fps.

1/2 turn in on the HST.

String #2
898.0
897.1
901.2
903.6 (max)
894.6
899.2
901.4
903.3
895.8
892.9 (min)

Max spread 10.7fps, avg velocity 898.25fps. About a 50fps jump from string #1.

1/2 turn in on the HST.

String #3
951.2
952.2
949.1
950.4
951.5
955.2
956.5 (max)
948.6
946.7 (min)
951.4

Max spread 9.8fps, avg velocity 952.1fps. About a 50fps jump from string #2.

1/4 turn in on the HST (decided that a 1/4 turn at this point to the end was probably more accurate).

String #4
971.8 (max)
971.1
965.0 (min)
967.3
965.9
965.6
968.7
971.5
967.2
966.3

Max spread 6.8fps, avg velocity 968.4fps. About a 15fps jump from string #3.

1/4 turn in on the HST.

String #5
981.7
982.4
985.7
975.7 (min)
985.1
984.5
987.2 (max)
987.1
986.8
983.5

Max spread 11.5fps, avg velocity 981.5fps. About a 15fps jump from string #4.

1/4 turn in on the HST.

String #6
992.9 (max)
985.5
990.9
990.0
985.1 (min)
992.5
992.1
992.8
992.8
989.2

Max spread 7.8fps, avg velocity 989.0fps. About a 10 fps jump from string #5.

1/4 turn in on the HST.

String #7
994.5 (min)
999.1
996.8
996.5
998.8
994.9
997.1
999.3 (max)
997.0
997.2

Max spread 4.8 fps, avg velocity 996.9fps. About a 10 fps jump from string #6.

1/4 turn in on the HST.

String #8
1003 (max)
996.6
999.5
1000
1001
999.9
993.6 (min)
1000
1000
997

Max spread 9.4 fps, avg velocity 998.3fps. About a 2 fps jump from string #7.

Notice how at the end of string #7 the spread is the smallest and when I did the 1/4 HST turn in and shot string #8 the velocity only went up by 2fps? This is a good indicator that the reg is shooting at it’s most efficient in string #7.

From this test I figured my reg was set to shoot my pellet of choice at around 996fps. I wanted somewhere around 880fps, with the ability to go from about 850 to 900 for tuning.

So 3/4 of a turn in on the reg got me where I wanted. From my testing so far, 1/4 turn on the regulator screw is about 50fps.

When I get some time this weekend i’ll post some before and after setting the reg shot strings (i’m getting over 150 shots per fill from a 177 R3 standard). This will show the drop in the standard deviation as well as the overall spread (high and low velocities) and what I call the max jump (the difference in velocity from shot to shot).

It’s so easy to disassemble this rifle and adjust the regulator it’s not even funny. I spent more time worrying that it would be hard I could have done it ten times over.

So while it is easy, don’t do it unless you absolutely need to or feel that you can see it all the way through.

Ed would say don’t do it at all. 😉

But IF you decide to do it, I hope I have given you insight into the first step in figuring out where the regulator is set without opening up the rifle.

EdGun

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As a reference point I watched Ernest’s vid on adjusting his reg and used my calipers to set it to where he had his…which had me shooting in the low 600’s so I had to bump up the reg a quarter turn and backed out my hast 2 full turns and now I’m set at 850-870 I haven’t shot a string yet…

But I have been watching the chrony and 857 keeps popping up so….I think I nailed it?

How much did you adjust the reg from when it was shooting at 1000+ to the current 650?

Ok I started backing out the hst till the fps started to drop and then adjusted the reg….charged the gun and started shooting some more….,my average fps was 640….so now being that my fps didn’t jump no more than 1 or 2 fps I can assume thats were the hst should stay and now it’s my regulator that needs bumping up so I can get to my 850 fps range I want.

Correct? Or is there something else I should be doing.

NOOOOOOOOO!

If your current speeds are higher than what you want. You can’t just turn the HST down to get the speeds that you are wanting!

Well, yes; you could just turn the HST down but, you will get a funky bell curve that will drive you absolutely bat shit crazy trying to figure out just WTF is going on!

The first thing that you need to do is, shoot a couple of shots with your current setting and then turn the HST in 1/8 turn and give it a couple of shots. Keep turning the HST in until you see the speeds start dropping.

Recharge the gun before it gets anywhere close to the regulator’s setting while doing these tests.

Doing that will give you a base line to start off with.

If the highest speeds that you can get are higher than what you want: you need to turn the regulator down some, clockwise, and turn the HST out around 2 full turns.

Mark the regulator’s housing and the regulator pressure adjusting screw so you will have a base line from where you started.

Once you do the reg adjustment AND you have turned the HST screw out 2 turns, start turning the HST in 1/8 turn at a time and see what the highest speeds are. Shoot a couple of shots after every HST adjustment.

If your highest speeds are higher than what you want, you need to turn the reg down some more, turn the HST screw out 2 turns and start over.

If you do a reg adjustment and don’t turn the HST out a couple of turns, you might/will be on the “back side” of the regulator and any HST adjustments might increase, decrease or make no difference in the speeds.

Don’t ask me how I know that!

I set my Matadors up where the regulator and HST adjustment gives me the speed that I am looking for. If turning the HST gives me higher speeds, I need to turn the reg down a little more. The regulator and HST have to work in unison to give the flattest shot string and the most shots per fill.

quote Urgirlinmyjetta:

quote dman1114:

UGMJ…..

If you lower your reg now without touching the HST.

Your FPS will drop… but you will be waisting air. so once you back off the regulator pressure you’ll have to back off the HST some too…

The lower the pressure in your Regulated chamber the less amount of force is needed to open the valve.

now lets say i lower my reg without touching my hst and i shoot some pellets and im shooting around 800fps…i need to adjust my hst cause theres no need to have the hammer strike the pin that hard….which is going to lower my fps lower than what i want to shoot…so now id need to bump up the reg a little more correct?

If your looking to shoot around 800 FPS… turn the reg down some and then take some shots… lets say its shooting around the 810 range (with out touching the HST yet)…

start backing backing the HST out…. watch what your numbers are doing… when the numbers start dropping again thats about where you want to be.

Your just gonna have to turn the reg down a little bit at a time and watch what your numbers do…. then back the HST off till the shoestring starts to fall once you see that the numbers are dropping.. bring the HST back up to the peak. If you FPS is too high still reduce Your reg pressure more and try again if its lower than you want raise your reg pressure…

UGMJ, you want to get the reg set so when you do the hst string test it levels off at the velocity you want…

If you adjust the reg and not the hst you still will not know where the reg is set.

quote dman1114:

UGMJ…..

If you lower your reg now without touching the HST.

Your FPS will drop… but you will be waisting air. so once you back off the regulator pressure you’ll have to back off the HST some too…

The lower the pressure in your Regulated chamber the less amount of force is needed to open the valve.

now lets say i lower my reg without touching my hst and i shoot some pellets and im shooting around 800fps…i need to adjust my hst cause theres no need to have the hammer strike the pin that hard….which is going to lower my fps lower than what i want to shoot…so now id need to bump up the reg a little more correct?

OG, the eight strings were shot before I adjusted the regulator. Currently it’s set to plateau in the high 800’s low 900’s.

WM, I found that the JSB/AA 10.34 grain pellets spiral something fierce at those speeds. 😕

UGMJ…..

If you lower your reg now without touching the HST.

Your FPS will drop… but you will be waisting air. so once you back off the regulator pressure you’ll have to back off the HST some too…

The lower the pressure in your Regulated chamber the less amount of force is needed to open the valve.

right now after taking 10 shot groupings my velocity has leveled off at 1041fps….so thats wil my polymags….

now the next step would be to screw the reg adjustment screw in and after that my hst is still screwed in pretty far….would i back that out?

because lets say hypothetically i adjust my reg and without adjusting the hst and the gun shoots around 800fps which is my goal….if i back out the hst the fps is going to drop….

do i want the hst screwed in that far?? wouldnt that be too much tension on the firing pin?

Not if its a .177 cal… the JSB 8.44gr and 10.34gr pellets shoot very well at 950-1000

Unless you are wanting to shoot in the 990-1000 fps range, your regulator is set way too high and it needs turned down.

A bunch.

After a reg adjustment, you need to turn the HST screw out around 2 turns and then turn it back in by 1/8 turns until you get the highest speeds. The regulator and HST have to work in unison to get the flattest shot string and the most regulated shots per fill.

If the highest speeds are still too high, you need to turn the reg down some more and start over.

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