JDS regulator
I am thinking about a JDS regulator for my condor SS. I have the talon tunes tank drop down adapter on my tank. Will the regulator work with the talon tunes tank drop adapter? I realize that it will be longer.
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Thats right in the ball park of my talon. Its actually a talondor now. Talon with condor valve and hammer on an 18 in barrel shooting the same pellets. I used the jds adapter and 2000 psi reg. Standard armymen from my porch 40 yds away were easy.
I am actually selling the reg and adapter. Took it off to see if a change in power and velocity would make it less pellet picky. Turns out its just a very picky barrel. Shoots 18 gr jsb pinpoint, everything else sofar is garbage.
Pm if your interested in the reg/adapter.
I am shooting 18″ condor barrel .22 cal 18.14 Jsbs at 890-900ish. Stock tank with Talontunes tank drop adapter. What will I need from JDS?
He is a master at the math behind our madness. Between him and dyotat they were a huge help in my projects.
I hope cross posting is ok
As a supplement to what’s already been posted I found this very useful explanation by rsterne on GTA
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=79771.msg760307#msg760307 Reply 10
I hope others find it useful too
Will do DJ, but first I’m going to play with washers under the QC top hat.
I’ve finally sourced some fibre washers so I’m looking forward to experimenting with them.
As usual I’ve been tracking back through your posts and making notes 😀
My condor had a reg set at 2300 psi and was getting around 50 fpe and a ton of shots per fill. I started having yote issues so needed alot more power. I stripped off the reg and started the race to see how much i could ring out of a 22 cal condor.
If i go back to a reg setup on the talon it will be a 4500 psi input and 2000 psi output so i can fill the cf tank to 3500 psi and get a few more shots. Both of my jds regs now are 3000 psi input.
Good luck with the alteros reg and please post how it works out for you. I have read alot about them and very little was negative.
Thanks for sharing you thought.
Is your Condor reged?
I stumbled across them on GTA last night and was very tempted but I think if I go that route it’ll be with the Altaros. Good luck with the sale though.
Regs are very stable and consistant plus there was a gage and fill port which is nice. Down side. Cant just pop and swap parts and go from squirrel killer to coyote killer in 5 minutes. Plus the added length. With a cf bottle they are only about 1 inch longer than stock bottle and valve. Just pulled to reg off my talon to see if i could get it to be less pellet picky and will be leaving it without reg so i can bounce it back and forth on power quickly. Was also looking at a 12 in barrel and 9 in shroud for it. Digging the short gun.
Ther regs are in the forsale section now if your still looking. 2300 psi and a 2000 psi reg and adaptor for $200 shipped.
-x356b
Great explanation. Thank you
For what I do, the reg and TT accessories were a huge improvement. Lots of shots with very consistent muzzle velocity. Another way of saying this is that it takes a lot less knowledge about the gun to shoot well. Keep the tank pressure above 2000 psi and just shoot it…
-x356b
Thanks X356b, I’ve read your interesting post on that thread
I have the same question for you, “if you were doing it again would you stick with the TTQCTH, restrictors and washers and forget about installing a reg?”
I’ve got a Condor SS .22. I’m running an Alteros regulator, a Talon Tunes Top Hat and a Talon Tunes Tank Adapter. The TTTA gives some regulated plenum volume and, combined with the reg, makes for a much longer than usual length of pull. Photos and measurements posted in another thread.
Shot consistency is very good, with a standard deviation of a few feet per second as tank pressure ranges from 3000 to 2000 psi. The reg is set at 1800 psi. I’ve been able to control muzzle velocity reasonably well with the Top Hat inserts and an O ring under the Top Hat.
If there’s interest, I can pull together the chrony data for this configuration.
Related to this, at a greater level of detail, I’ve made high-speed videos of breech motion and regulated plenum gauge reading during a shot. It looks to me like there’s plenty of work to be done in smoothing out valve bounce. The top tuners and valve builders seem to have sorted this out in the quest for better consistency and higher shot count.
Note also that the developers of the “Priest” bullpup used a chamber pressure measurement to tune the hammer/valve system and smooth out valve bounce. There’s an interesting shot of their lab setup on their web site.
-x356b
I was able to get up to 50 fpe with the 2300 psi reg. Cannot remeber exact shot count.
Ttqc top hat with smallest restrictor and a .035 washer under the tophat is very consistant and has lots of punch. Will have to check notes to see exactly how much but all i have to do is remove the restrictor and pump up to 3500 psi and i can get 95 fpe with 45 gr slugs or run the restrictor and 3200 psi for rats and smaller targets.
Onebaddj
From your experience and experimentation with both JDS & Alteros regs and TTQCTH restrictors and washers would you say that there was enough of an advantage in performance and convenience to justify the purchase and installation of a reg?
Or to put it another way, if you were doing it again would you stick with the TTQCTH restrictors and washers and forget about installing a reg?
I’m asking because I’ve got a CSS with the TT tank adaptor and I’m trying to decided if the additional length that an Altares will add will be compensated for in significantly improved consistency. I’m loath to make the CSS any longer than it already is and if I added a reg I’d probably take off the TT tank adaptor. I’m interested to hear your thoughts.
Heck didn’t realize JDS had a setup designed for a air force valve lol till onebaddj said something. I’ve a couple drop downs and four of the paintball type regs from JDS. Guy over n the talon section is setup with the altaros and it’s adjustable from 100 to 150 bar.
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I use the JDS reg set at 2400 psi & AF adapter with a TT tank adapter on a condor with a 4500 psi PB tank on a condor, 14″ from valve to end of tank, I modified my tophat a bit to increase flow & with a 4100 psi fill I get about 50 very acurate shots at 900 pfs with 22 cal. 28.4 gr. EunJin, also just tried some of the new JSB Exact Jumbo Beast 33.956 gr that look very promising with 1/2″ group at 50 yards. (I’m kind of a heavier is better guy)
Evidently I’m not smart enough to get pic’s on here for you to see.