Mil Dot reticle buying question
Looking at buying a scope with mildot on it. My question is that it looks like 1/2 mil marks are a good way to go unless someone says different? Some scopes have duplex than go to mil dot. Others like the Hawke has a fine line that is mil all the way except the ends have the rectangles you can see through. My question is I am used to duplex and was needing to buy a scope for my Condor. The 8-32X44 I had new in box from a long time ago is kinda overkill for close in work on fast targeting. Been looking at variable scopes with a max of 10 to 12 power. 9 power is not really high enough for some far shots. Shooting squirrels and most shots are 100 yards or less. The fence line is 200 yards so that would be max. I do not have anywhere close to go to see the scopes to look through the reticule to see what it looks like. This is why asking for some help on this. Do not want to have to order a few different scopes and see what looks good just to send the others back. Knowing my luck the returned ones would get damaged in the return shipping. Wind does get high here so was thinking the longer mil layout reticule would be better than guessing on the duplex lines if too far off of the mil dot area. Note that the area I am shooting on has a lot of trees in the background and is more of mountain style layout on the ground. So was wondering if also the full mil line instead of the duplex than to mil would be hard to see in the type of terrain? Any suggestion on a scope? I do have CF rifles with high dollar optics on them and was wondering if this needs to be the same because of not going the distance.
Thanks
Todd
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http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1330798191/BSA+Tactical+4-14×44+scope+review
The two reticle photos show all needed to bust the FFP Myth. The top reticle is around 4x, that’s not going to cover up anything, matter of fact you’ll have a hard time seeing that very very very tiny reticle. The second picture, I’m guessing about 14x, would require a teeny tiny micro squirrel to hide behind that reticle.
As I said that’s why I recommended said rifle scopes. Good luck on your choice and Happy hunting. 🙂
i have the 4-14×44 BSA FFP,
have had it for almost 6 months now.
i am only able to say good things about it,
awesome clear glass (as good or better than my sidewinder)
nice thin reticle,positive turret adjustments.
a big plus for me was that the point of impact does not change when turning the magnification ring.
it does darken a little past 11x-12x but not a big deal for me as i rarely run higher than 10x anyway.
worth the money? without a doubt!!!
now if i could just find a side wheel that would fit it.
07condor
I would have to agree with what you brought up and what the guy was saying on the link you provided. I found this about the BSA scope and the view through it that I was worried about blocking small targets at 100 and 200 yards. Looks good to me and see no problems with that FFP setup like I was concerned about too not knowing that reticle.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1330798191/BSA+Tactical+4-14×44+scope+review
A mil-dot FFP scope at high magnifications might block your target view if you’re shooting a squirrel at 100+ yds no? No, it won’t cover up a squirrel @ 100 yards. That’s why I recommended said rifle scopes. 😕
The higher the magnification, the larger the reticle and if it had mil-dots, it might just cover your tiny target if you’re trying to place an accurate shot. Actually the reticle never covers more at high mag, neither does the reticle cover less at low mag, it covers exactly the same at any mag you choose. Actually the reticle remains to scale on any mag! :whistle: One mill will cover exactly one centimeter at 10 meters, with an FFP using all the different magnifications available, never ever any more or any less than one centimeter. You should try this! :winkn: Or just give ‘Vortex’ customer service a call and tell ’em you’re conserned about their FFP reticle covering a Squirrel @ 100yds. :rofl: they need a good laugh from time to time. 😀
Here you go, he says it better than I can: http://www.primalrights.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1522
Nice pic of the ret through the scope.
Do you know what distance to the target and what mag the
Scope is on
Love the look of the reticle. I can see where it would be nice having the line marks off to the sides for using windage and elevation adjustments. I looked at the pricing of those thing. WOW!! Looks like more of something I would mount on my 50 BMG gun than I would my Condor. My condor is going to be sitting out in the open and can not see having that kind of money sitting there for close in work. Have to keep looking and reading more.
Thanks again
Just my person opinion but that BSA MRAD scope without any sort of numbering is useless once you’re using any sort of holdover at distance. I personally like these reticle on the Vortex scopes but it might not be ideal depending on which exact model you choose and minimal shooting distance needed.
EBR-2 MRAD (lots of holdover and windage markings)
EBR-1 MRAD
If you’re shooting against a dark backdrop and it’s not in the middle of the day, illumination might be an important feature to have. A mil-dot FFP scope at high magnifications might block your target view if you’re shooting a squirrel at 100+ yds no? The higher the magnification, the larger the reticle and if it had mil-dots, it might just cover your tiny target if you’re trying to place an accurate shot. It’s not like shooting a deer at 100-200 yds.
07condor
Thanks for the input. The MRAD looks interesting but looks like you might lose the sight easily in rocky ground as an image around the squirrels? I did find a writeup on the scope and guys liked them. Even seen the pics the guy showed zoomed and unzoomed and looked good on the lines. Liked how you could see to the left and right of the sighting lines. I have looked at the Hawke Sidewinder that Ted uses on Youtube on his videos and like the clear view on both sides. I was just wondering how this compared to mildot sight as far as being easier to see with dots and lines versus just lines only? FFP scopes look interesting too. Never knew there was another style. Been out of guns too long I see.
http://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_4_14X44_FFP_Scope_p/pa4-14xffp.htm
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/456482/bsa-tactical-mil-mil-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-4-14x-44mm-side-focus-1-10-mil-adjustments-first-focal-mrad-reticle-matte
ttp://swfa.com/Falcon-Menace-4-14×44-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P47408.aspx
One of these should meet your requirement to take 100 yard squirrels, the first one has mil-dot reticle and the rest have 1/2 mil-line reticle (no dots-line only). All of these have mil turrets matched to mil reticles. To get a reticle that doesn’t get lost in the woods/mountains will have to be a lot thicker than these. Price range? 😎
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07condor
Looked on the guys company site that you linked comparing the two and found this 300 yard comparison: