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hmm a hub in ny
i am in ny
where do i get a catalog
i am interested
very interested
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Are you kidding me? I can never seem to set enough back. As soon as I buy the last gun that I am going to buy, something else comes along!
After I got my second Edgun, I thought that i was done buying air guns.
Then after getting on the forum tonight I find out that I need the American made “Game Changer” and a Russian made Cricket! I am supposed to be saving up for early retirement, NOT buying more airguns! 😆
How much money do I set aside?
I guess a lot of us are emailing these bullpup makers, since this email was cc’d to a lot of airgunners. Needless to say I will be emailing Aleksandrs at Kalibr back. This is the email from him. I hope this will urge other Russian makers to produce here. We may be watching the first of marketing maneuvers by airgun makers to get into the bullpup line. Great.
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Aleksandrs Naumovs
<calibreu@gmail.com>
Gentlemen,
I was forwarded your contact info and instructed to get in touch with you. You all have expressed a desire to get one or more products of LLC Caliber. Untill recently the company was only oriented towards the Russian market however that has changed. Now a lot of the company’s efforts will be directed towards the U.S. and European (as well as African…no worries:)) markets.
I am your POC (point of contact) for LLC Calibr.
For my Air gun Enthusiasts in U.S. i’m not 100% sure yet. We will definitely ship our production to the States and Canada (eh!). I’m working on a local distribution hub in NY right now. I rather have you deal with somebody CONUS than some “unknown” guy in Europe. That’s a trend i noticed while being in the states. So stand fast on that one.
We should start shipping sometime next month.
I cannot tell you how much exactly each product will cost, because the final price heavily depends on transportation costs.
I can tell you that I will send out a catalog with our production to you all very soon. I will also include our latest models and upgrades. The new stuff is very exciting. Trust me…I’m and air gun enthusiast myself. Can’t wait:)
Please feel free to e-mail me any questions you might have and I’ll be happy to answer them.
v/r
LT Naumovs Aleksandrs
USMA Class of 2010.
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I hope the ball is starting to roll on bullpups being produced by all those other makers that have the engineers and designers, equipment, and distribution already in place.
I don’t like the looks of any of the Demyan guns.
It would be very hard for me to keep from buying a Kalibr, if it ever becomes available here.
It seems that I am always waiting for airguns.
Right now, I guess I am waiting for that American made game changer! 😆
Sniff, sniff, I schmell something cooking….
From what I have heard, there will be a new distribution hub in NY handle all Air gun Enthusiasts in U.S soon, based on the information I have read, they will start to ship these guns sometime next month if everything goes well for them.
At this time, they don’t exactly know each product will cost, because the final price heavily depends on transportation costs.
They will definitely ship production to the States and Canada.
They will send out a catalog with their production to anyone who’s interested very soon.
Still want more info?
I have been patiently biting my lip, but here goes. There is an American made equivalent waiting in the wings. It will be available in the spring. It is a game changer. There are a few folks on here that know of what I speak 😉
They are marked in mm I just couldn’t think of the conversion.
Is the same regulation abour marking if they mark in milimeters? Everybody knows .22 and asociate it whith the .22LR 5,5mm and 4,5mm are for airguns only in many countrys…
Just an idea… 😉
My guess is that it may have something to do with a difficult export status. Ed has mentioned things to this effect and that’s why the .22 Leylas are marked .17 coming in.
Very good point bleece. But as for the “impure thought” I have a feeling your prospective temptation will become real soon enough if I know those industrious China men 😆
I think you’ve hinted at just the tone– but at a respectably expressible level– with which, in frustration, I myself have been thinking for a long time now about the whole business of the market for bullpup airguns.
Really– why are the Russian bullpup makers– Demyan and Hooligun (two manufacturers I’m aware of besides Edgun) so reticent about shipping (you’re right) to the most profitable market in the world, the USA? I am left wanting a bullpup airgun myself but am confronted with one and only one choice of a supplier stateside. I would like a choice. And I, as demanding consumer, am willing to pay the price for what a market with more than one supplier would set. I ask– What may be the reason for some Russian airgun manufacturers’ lack of marketing to the U.S. buyer.
Some possible reasons:
1) Factors in the home country creating obstacles to marketing outside the borders: an inefficient distribution system resulting from a lack of infrastructure; lack of marketing know-how; possibly, costs associated with inefficient govt servants or officials impeding free distribution somewhere along the distribution channels. These would be disincentives to any business.
2) With all due respect, and understandable: a not quite matured capitalistic philosophy– “Go get’em-ness”– in some Russian business sectors. An undeveloped sense of the basic “greed” (yes, ugly sounding word) but underlying our own American sense of supply-and-demand. There is, though, something morally and sensible to admire there– “I’m selling enough to meet my business and personal needs with my present efforts. No need to get greedy. It would mean more work for me. I’m fine with the way things are.” But this is business we’re talking here. .
3) Maybe, and also understandable: the chance personal choice of the proprietors of these airgun manufacturing concerns. Steve Jobs makes many such decisions in his I-Products line and is unconcerned about what others think about his products or marketing decisions.
4) A nationalistic ideology: “This is ours (airgun technology and design) and it stays here. We don’t wish to share or be copied.” That might be related to reasons #2 and #3.
Now, assuming that reason #1 is most influential– inefficient distribution– setting up manufacturing outside of the home country would seem to be the best business if not the common sense decision. Why hasn’t that been realized? That could be related to reasons #2 (non-matured business sense), #3 (proprietor personal choice), or #4 (personal/nationalistic choice). Might it be a personal need of those involved to avoid the cultural shock of transferring operations to another country? I’m just reaching now, I know.
But there is also another crowd to question concerning the lack of choice in bullpup suppliers in the USA– and that is the established airgun makers. We have Air Arms, Falcon, Hammerli, Beeman, BSA, AirForce, Evanix, FX, Gamo, ShinSung, Theoben, etc. I ask– Why have they not produced a bullpup model by now? Surely they must be aware of the demand and obvious profitable market there would be for the first competitor to the Russian bullpup? And why—again—don’t the Russian producers see this asleep-at-the-wheel condition of established airgun makers and remain content—again— to not take advantage and enter the most lucrative market in the world?
I would like choice.
I would like to see a competitor set price.
And I’m having impure thoughts—I’m wishing for a Chinese-made bullpup!
Makes no “economic” sense to spend all that money setting up to make such a nice rifle…and keep it from perhaps the most lucrative market (USA) in the world 😯 ❓ 🙄
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It will be on par with AF products, both a bulpup and a traditional carbine style.
Right now we are concentrating on getting our vendor samples finished but I will be posting a “hello world” thread very soon. Keep your eyes peeled. I’ve been trying to lay low but all of this recent talk about regulators, bulpups and semi autos I couldnt take it. Its Mam’s fault. 😉