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My frame flex fix.

After seeing walkonkings post fixing frame flex, I got an idea of how I wanted to do mine. So here it is I pulled the safety out while I had it tore apart and killed two birds with one stone. I installed these side plates cut from a 1″ x 1/4″ flat stock I got from ace, first of all I dont have a milling machine so its not perfect but I will do the finish up work on it tomorrow. The frame does not flex at all now I can put some serious lean on it and no flex its probably over kill on thickness but its steady. Not to bad for a dremel tool and a drill press and some files. [/img]

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Very true. there is only so much we can try without welding a collar around it.

How is that going to stop the frame from flexing?

The only real fix is to fill in one side of the frame so where the collar screws in has support. They machine away to much and there is not much holding the frame that holds the bottle.

I agree with Walkonking on the bottle collar but looking further down the line at maintaining a rock solid centerline with tophat and breech 0 ring.Looking for someone local with a lathe to cut a valve cap to use as a bottle collar. Made for a snug fit and dimpled for set screws. It would be non spinlock but both problems should be solved.

Looking good sir!

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Walkonking, very good points that I never really thought of. However since putting on the side plates it has helped alot, with side to side impacts I was having. I never really held the gun that tight anyways I came up through air rifles with springers before getting into the pcp’s. But untimately if you hold the gun right you dont need these side plates however if your tweaking it slightly this will help if your really putting the latteral pressure on the gun its not going to help. It more of a patch for poor form LOL.

It will help for sure,

Knowing what causes it will help as well.

Well done brother

Walkonking, very good points that I never really thought of. However since putting on the side plates it has helped alot, with side to side impacts I was having. I never really held the gun that tight anyways I came up through air rifles with springers before getting into the pcp’s. But untimately if you hold the gun right you dont need these side plates however if your tweaking it slightly this will help if your really putting the latteral pressure on the gun its not going to help. It more of a patch for poor form LOL.

That looks good.

But here is the rub I have found.

First the Condors with the extra support at the scope rail do not have the same trouble the standard Talon frame has.

Also once you secure the lower frame the stress on the collar where the bottle mounts will still flex the scope rail if push hard enough.

You see the lower frame is only one part and that is just at the breech area, the second part is the actual collar on the frame.

Look at the bottle as a lever. When you push it let say left to right while the frame is being held that giant lever puts a stress into the collar and that stress moves the collar and the rear of the scope rail. The movement make is look like the laser dot is moving to the right, but in actuality the rear of scope is moving to the right and the objective is slight turning to the left.

So while supporting the frame is great…. as long as the bottle collar is the dimension it is the problem can occur if the gun is held to tightly.

With the design of the gun the front of the scope rail were it meet the frame needs to be solid and thick and the bottle collar where it meets the frame needs to be thicker to eliminate the frame from flexing when poor technique is used in shooting the gun.

While reinforcing the frame is good…. it does not really solve the flex that occurs from bad shooting technique.

Everyone needs to shoulder the gun lightly without squeezing to really eliminate the problem.

The stocks people are using do not stop the flexing from bad technique because they support the frame, it is because they no longer use the bottle as the shoulder piece so the tank is not being used as a lever to flex the frame.

The stock allows the poor shooting technique because it takes the shoulder off the bottle.

I finally got it finished, so here it is all in black. [/img]

Thats beautifully simple. Nice work.

Yes I drilled through the frame and tapped all four of the holes in the frame, I had to shorten each bolt so they didnt run into each other in the center of the frame. I will get it buffed out tomorrow and powder coat it and get some pics of it done. I spent most of my day cutting this thing and fitting it glad Im only doing my rifle.

I like the principle and simplicity of it.

AIRFORCE could stand to make the frame…………well, AF could do a lot of things but i’m not giving em any more ideas…..lol!

Cleaned up, and painted black to match, THAT’S BADASS I THINK!

So you drilled the frame twice on each side to install the plates?

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