New Type of Valve, sounds too good to be true
Advantages:
1. full auto capability with a force (spring usually) fed magazine.
2. solenoid can be replaced by spring trigger and hammer mech. (should be lower required cocking force than conventional valves)
3. Bullpup is this reason i started drawing this thing’s ancestors. pretty much a 1meter long gun can have a 32″ barrel. this assembly is only 20cms total and being electrical, wires are easy to place the trigger anywere
Disadvantages:
1. Why doesn’t the industry use this kinda if it gives a longer barrel length, auto ailibility?
2. is there something i missed that will make this thing not work? perhaps bolt gets shot out on first shot?
Hi guys 😀 , pretty much I thought of this type of valve,(all work inspired by the stuff and pics i’ve read on this site! oh and thanks to insomia i’ve got time to waste) and am calling all experts (and non experts of course) to let me know why this valve will or will not work.
I tried to find something like this, and couldn’t. (by the way the drozd’s valve looks very similar but actually works in a very different way. briefly Drozd’s valve (pretty awesome) have a cup seal, which is more conventional. held in place by… i will continue this part if someone wants me to, but trust me they are VERY different)
If someone does know of a similar kind of valve, let me know 😀
brief intro:
– There are no cup seals, nor forces forcing the valve closed initially. that is the force to open the valve when charged at say 5000psi will be the same as when empty (not counting the part after the valve is opened and the solenoid tries to hold it open)
and yes it is a very uneasy concept to me.
– there is no impact. The bolt/valve core actually gets accelerated from it’s idle position VERY (VERY) fast. and gas release is in a square wave manner due to another reason i’ll explain later.
-there’s a dicharge cavity, and is fed by a stacked tube which makes sure an ample volume of gas is ready, especially if co2 is used
-minial cycling time is 7ms (from idle to firing and back to idle, albet very lame shot at such a short opening setting)
please note the actual design is a three body piece inside a tube and sealed with further orings not shown here. reason being… srsly! how on earth do you groove those oring glands that far in?! so yea three piece section and their orings are not shown, the important orings and features are here.
How does it work?
1 Resting: -the valve is sealed. no force ‘FORcing” it closed. although there is a return spring inside that solenoid that pulls both the solenoid’s rod and bolt back into that idle position.
-the front has a ball (i like those .25 graphite coated lead ones on pyramyd) force fed (for auto).
-there’s a 100Watt solenoid (Yup, only $40), and has enough force to push open 10 condor valves and bleed the tank of air (circuitry consists of 555chip, capacitor, resistor etc.)circuitry is the easy part, i can go into more detail if we agree this valve actually works)
-bolt and valve stem is a single piece. pretty much there’s a section that’s hollow at the front (like a condor’s)
the rear part of the thing is solid, and just in front of that part are square holes on the two sides (machined sideways not drilled). They’re square and are on a slightly thinner diameter section of the bolt. makes sure the gas release is fast
2 solenoid is pulsed by capacitor discharge, and drives the bolt forward. (5ms time for the square hole to just about to enter that discharge cavity)
the square then enter that discharge cavity where gas can enter them. NOW there IS a force trying to move the bolt back closed, it is cause there’s a pressure on the are at the flat solid face at base of the holes.
at the same time the holes enter the cavity, the front of the bolt would have pushed the ball about 5mm’s past the front breech seal oring. (actual design has a rather simple detent mechanism as well
3 The valve is held open against the forces of gas pushing it back for a set amount of milliseconds (determined by resistor adjustment) by the solenoid.
After holding, the solenoid de energies and is both pulled back by it’s return spring, as well as the bolt’s rearward action (from the gas remember?until the holes covered again, then there will be no force)
Advantages:
1. full auto capability with a force (spring usually) fed magazine.
2. solenoid can be replaced by spring trigger and hammer mech. (should be lower required cocking force than conventional valves)
3. Bullpup is this reason i started drawing this thing’s ancestors. pretty much a 1meter long gun can have a 32″ barrel. this assembly is only 20cms total and being electrical, wires are easy to place the trigger anywere
Disadvantages:
1. Why doesn’t the industry use this kinda if it gives a longer barrel length, auto ailibility?
2. is there something i missed that will make this thing not work? perhaps bolt gets shot out on first shot?
SRSly thanks for taking a look! and take no mercy in criticising on this design! i’ll attempt to explain or fix flaws.
Be nice! 😛
ancestors (conventional valves) used in these guys btw (just some picture candy) 😀


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Hi Airy,
I’m designing my own electronic valve/trigger airgun too. Like the Daystate Mk4 GP. Solenoid, valve, trigger, all electronic, LCD display whit shot count, chrono and LOADED indicator. Still drawing it 3D but I already have some parts, reservoir, barrel, wood…
Just a early pic (SW2008):


Hell we are in the 21st Century, why aren’t our guns?! 😆
Best regards,
Filipe Carvalho