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Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out

Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out
Alan Korwin – Author Gun Laws Of America
GunLaws.com
3-12-9

Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

Forward or send to every gun owner you know…
Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
YouTube – CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!

A partial list of gun rights groups:

Gun Owners of America

Home

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
http://www.jpfo.org/

FREEDOM=GUNS
http://www.tcsn.net/doncicci/freedom.htm

National Rifle Association
http://www.nra.org/

Second Amendment Committee
http://www.libertygunrights.com/

Second Amendment Foundation

Home

Second Amendment Sisters
http://www.2asisters.org/

Women Against Gun Control
http://www.wagc.com/

Other Guns

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The great thing about the “Mexico Argument” is that its, well, [u]complete
and utter tripe!!!
[/u] Here’s La Pierre on Beck’s show discussing the same:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlnZ8yq6wJA

Problem is, when the Left uses its useful idiots (in this case, the MSM) to
barrage us with sound bytes, even when those bytes are obviously bald
faced lies
many will simply give into the BS inundation. That’s where WE
as members of the Gun Culture, need to stand strong and call them out
for their dishonesty and inequities.

Some are fighting back (both sides of the aisle):

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=12271

Me thinks that dumbass… Um… Sec. Holder (ya that’s it :twisted:) didn’t
expect members “Obama’s” Party to look askance at his firearm
“regulatory efforts.” I think Holder has been put on notice by the
Legislature. 😉

quote stower1:

Open season on border jumpers, shoot every one of the cock suckers.

I concur wholeheartedly. Since we cannot – at distance (sometimes even
close up!) – distinguish a drug smuggler, from a Mexican citizen looking to
better their life’s lot by jumping the border, from a terrorist, I drop back to
the old Motto: “Kill them all and let God sort them out.”

That may sound harsh; and it is.

Crazy thing is, you’re likely to receive less of a sentence (if any) for shooting
US citizen trespassers on your property in, say, South Dakota than you are
for shooting an illegal border crosser on your property down in Brownsville.
That’s fairly f’d up, imho.

I’m thinking with all the hype about mexicos border, and their problem with all the illegal guns coming in from he US, it’s reason enough for the moral minority to go to work. They need hype to push their agenda. What with us single handedly providing all the guns for mexican drug cartels , and obama’s remark yesterday about stemming the steady flow of guns and money over the border, he’s got his reason for implimentation. Those dirty fuckers have been raping the US of funds for years, smuggling drugs into the US poisoning our people, and they have the balls to say their crime problem is our fault. I’ve got an idea. Open season on border jumpers, shoot every one of the cock suckers. No more problem. Mexico has been a wart on our ass for a long time, their govt. has done nothing, and now it will turn into the reasoning behind gun control. It’s getting closer.

Guys, I dont know the in’s an out’s but from what i have read I feel for ya. I cant believe its hapening tbh, one of the reasons i wanna move to the US is for the freedom with guns, it brakes me to know that these gun laws are goin to be put in place.
When I first herd about it all I asumed it would be like new laws over hear
an take about 10 years to be put in place lol.
So when is this likely to take efect?

[quote=”verdecktjaeger”]Yup, that’s exactly how its happening out here in Kalifornication! They ‘allowed’
for the registration of the ‘offending’ firearm with state authorities, but neglected
to tell folks about the fine print [b]not found on the registration form[/b] but rather
in the on-line documentation covering the legalities of ‘transfer’. Basically, once
the legally registered owner “kicks the proverbial bucket” the firearm transfers to
the state; [b]not to next of kin[/b].

Also – TECHNICALLY – you must pass all out-of-state sales of said firearms by
state governing authority which has the right legally to turn the seller down.
Basically, they’ve got all registerees by the “short and curlys”.

Oh how I F#*!ing hate them. Sincerely so… 👿

Note to all: Don’t be oh-too-surprised if that’s the route the Feds take on this
issue. Straight collection may not work, but ‘registration’ is a game they might
want to play.

Read the fine print, gentlemen. Many a devil is in the details… 😈 😈 :twisted:[/quote

Gun registration is a necessary prerequisite for establishing gun control.
It’s just the first step, a step we should not take, nor be pushed into taking. Any gun control is bad. Very bad. I’m more scared of the .22 in someones pocket than a Ar-15 or any of the guns on their list. It’s all bullshit. And the media forcefeeds it too sheeple on a daily basis. It’s all about control, and the sheeple want to be controlled, and protected. Let big brother do his job for them while losing all ability to protect themselves. Too many morons in this country that don’t mind being led around by the nose.

quote verdecktjaeger:

Yup, that’s exactly how its happening out here in Kalifornication! They ‘allowed’
for the registration of the ‘offending’ firearm with state authorities, but neglected
to tell folks about the fine print [b]not found on the registration form[/b] but rather
in the on-line documentation covering the legalities of ‘transfer’. Basically, once
the legally registered owner “kicks the proverbial bucket” the firearm transfers to
the state; [b]not to next of kin[/b].

Also – TECHNICALLY – you must pass all out-of-state sales of said firearms by
state governing authority which has the right legally to turn the seller down.
Basically, they’ve got all registerees by the “short and curlys”.

Oh how I F#*!ing hate them. Sincerely so… 👿

Note to all: Don’t be oh-too-surprised if that’s the route the Feds take on this
issue. Straight collection may not work, but ‘registration’ is a game they might
want to play.

Read the fine print, gentlemen. Many a devil is in the details… 😈 😈 😈

Gonna have to start registering them in the toddler of the families name….or somewhere other than Cali-rapia.

Yup, that’s exactly how its happening out here in Kalifornication! They ‘allowed’
for the registration of the ‘offending’ firearm with state authorities, but neglected
to tell folks about the fine print [b]not found on the registration form[/b] but rather
in the on-line documentation covering the legalities of ‘transfer’. Basically, once
the legally registered owner “kicks the proverbial bucket” the firearm transfers to
the state; [b]not to next of kin[/b].

Also – TECHNICALLY – you must pass all out-of-state sales of said firearms by
state governing authority which has the right legally to turn the seller down.
Basically, they’ve got all registerees by the “short and curlys”.

Oh how I F#*!ing hate them. Sincerely so… 👿

Note to all: Don’t be oh-too-surprised if that’s the route the Feds take on this
issue. Straight collection may not work, but ‘registration’ is a game they might
want to play.

Read the fine print, gentlemen. Many a devil is in the details… 😈 😈 😈

quote Drachenfeuer:

I got 4 that are on list…..I guess I’m in the shit…I may try to sell them and get a condor setup

Maybe they will be nice and make it so you don’t have to get rid of your guns, you just can’t buy anymore. That is until they decide to take them alltogether.

quote sven:

I really think the language in some of the comments are highly inappropiate and down right offensive, not fit for a serious forum about air guns and OTHER guns.

Welcome to the United States of America.

quote verdecktjaeger:

Um…

WalkonKing? If I may be so bold…? ❓ 😉
_____________________________________________

Firstly, WELCOME to the madness, sven! Enjoy your time here.

Secondly, you’re 10 emails deep in a sub-forum dedicated to discussion
about firearms other than our AF rifles. By definition, those discussions
will span the political and regulatory issues addressing these very firearms.

NOTE: If anything, we are a timely bunch here. News-of-the-day
relating to us and ours gets first chair (typically) in our musical game…

Thirdly, your statement

quote sven:

Somehow it is funny how the republican party always feel that they are the ones that connect with outdoorsmen (and women)

is completely misguided – as you would have found [i]if[/i] you would have
taken a few seconds to READ other postings on this forum. There are many
folks here who HAVE admitted to voting for and – dare I say – SUPPORTING
the new administration; or at least at the time of their previous post(s) they
did. Your assertion about the Republicans and “…outdoorsmen…” is
simplisitc (at best). Perhaps it is you who should perform a fact check prior
to posting erroneous data.

NOTE: I am not counted among the supporters and, admittedly, find
Pres. Obama (imho) to be a complete and utter jackass. But, then again, as
an AMERICAN it is my right to believe as I may.

Lastly, TAG is replete with

  • a) Active Duty,
    b) Retirees,
    c) Children of ‘a’ or of ‘b’,
    d) National Guard,
    e) Reservists,
    f) Active/Retired Police Officers,
    g) etc…

Each speaks their own mind and adds to the greater discussion as they deem
appropriate.

Please take into account on your next visit that – as with everything else you
may find online – feel free to not read items as you wish. For those on which
you choose to bloviate, well… unless I’m told otherwise, that’s what we’re all
about here!

Oh, and… Have a nice day!

what he said 😀

Um…

WalkonKing? If I may be so bold…? ❓ 😉
_____________________________________________

Firstly, WELCOME to the madness, sven! Enjoy your time here.

Secondly, you’re 10 emails deep in a sub-forum dedicated to discussion
about firearms other than our AF rifles. By definition, those discussions
will span the political and regulatory issues addressing these very firearms.

NOTE: If anything, we are a timely bunch here. News-of-the-day
relating to us and ours gets first chair (typically) in our musical game…

Thirdly, your statement

quote sven:

Somehow it is funny how the republican party always feel that they are the ones that connect with outdoorsmen (and women)

is completely misguided – as you would have found [i]if[/i] you would have
taken a few seconds to READ other postings on this forum. There are many
folks here who HAVE admitted to voting for and – dare I say – SUPPORTING
the new administration; or at least at the time of their previous post(s) they
did. Your assertion about the Republicans and “…outdoorsmen…” is
simplisitc (at best). Perhaps it is you who should perform a fact check prior
to posting erroneous data.

NOTE: I am not counted among the supporters and, admittedly, find
Pres. Obama (imho) to be a complete and utter jackass. But, then again, as
an AMERICAN it is my right to believe as I may.

Lastly, TAG is replete with

  • a) Active Duty,
    b) Retirees,
    c) Children of ‘a’ or of ‘b’,
    d) National Guard,
    e) Reservists,
    f) Active/Retired Police Officers,
    g) etc…

Each speaks their own mind and adds to the greater discussion as they deem
appropriate.

Please take into account on your next visit that – as with everything else you
may find online – feel free to not read items as you wish. For those on which
you choose to bloviate, well… unless I’m told otherwise, that’s what we’re all
about here!

Oh, and… Have a nice day!

So this is apparently not off topic… I cant seem to find a single post here about other politicians and their view on control, a certain former top rep. politician who recently ran for the white house was/is no favorite of the NRA.

I really think the language in some of the comments are highly inappropiate and down right offensive, not fit for a serious forum about air guns and OTHER guns.

As mentioned I have always been attracted to anything propelling a slug, pellet or arrow and if I could afford it I would have hundreds but I dont.

Somehow it is funny how the republican party always feel that they are the ones that connect with outdoorsmen (and women) – that is simply put a lot of nonsense – there are in fact plenty of democratic politicians on many different levels who truly and actively support the sport, the principles of the second amendment and hunting in general – many are retired servicemen.

Finally when reference is made to politics and control please get the facts right and in full – dont just sling out more or less radom bits and pieces in order to drum up some panic about having more control on certain type of guns.

Best wishes to all fellow shooters and outdoor folks ! .

quote sven:

I am confused , shouldnt this section be about other guns , for instance your other PCP ? Why all this anti presidential talk here ? I am surprised that no moderators are blocking it. All my life I have been into shooting and the outdoors but let me tell you all that I am absolutely proud of being a supporter the president. I will stop here since this is really off topic .

The thread is about Obama and guns. And that is what we talk about here.

TAF Rocks!

I got 4 that are on list…..I guess I’m in the shit…I may try to sell them and get a condor setup

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